Rog Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 On 7/3/2018 at 9:57 AM, P.K. said: Precisely. Look anywhere on the t'interwebby thing and you will find this or similar: "Analysis of government data shows that over 5,300 EU citizens were removed from the UK during the year ending June 2017, which represents an increase of 20% on the previous year." "Take back control of our borders" indeed. Just another load of brexit lies spoon fed to the idiots who believe it..... The border control that is needed is not about exiting the UK, it's about controling who is permitted to ENTER the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, Rog said: The border control that is needed is not about exiting the UK, it's about controling who is permitted to ENTER the UK. I'm calling complete and utter bullshit on that one. For a start deportation is the final step in the border control process. This process can take decades as the absolutely shameful "Windrush" scandal shows only too clearly. Let's use the simplest of examples so everyone can understand it. The UK is the world's 8th most popular tourist destination. Every year some 35 million folks visit and they spend some £20 Bn whilst here. So if you like we have an influx of foreigners that equates to about 40% of our population. Naturally we welcome these folks (and their money) with open arms and open borders. If some of them like it and want to stay, well, there's a process for dealing with them that in some cases ends in deportation. "Take back control of our borders" - laughable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, P.K. said: I'm calling complete and utter bullshit on that one. For a start deportation is the final step in the border control process. This process can take decades as the absolutely shameful "Windrush" scandal shows only too clearly. Let's use the simplest of examples so everyone can understand it. The UK is the world's 8th most popular tourist destination. Every year some 35 million folks visit and they spend some £20 Bn whilst here. So if you like we have an influx of foreigners that equates to about 40% of our population. Naturally we welcome these folks (and their money) with open arms and open borders. If some of them like it and want to stay, well, there's a process for dealing with them that in some cases ends in deportation. "Take back control of our borders" - laughable! There is the world of difference between tourists and those who want to ponce off us. Personally and like the POTUS I would like to see a complete denial of admission of people from a number of nations but I accept that while although being right I'm possibly in the minority over this. As for deportation, here again I'm possibly in the minority but I would like to see some form of "act now if necessary review later once they're out" policy. Note my use of possibly rather than probably. That is deliberate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, P.K. said: I'm calling complete and utter bullshit on that one. For a start deportation is the final step in the border control process. This process can take decades as the absolutely shameful "Windrush" scandal shows only too clearly. Let's use the simplest of examples so everyone can understand it. The UK is the world's 8th most popular tourist destination. Every year some 35 million folks visit and they spend some £20 Bn whilst here. So if you like we have an influx of foreigners that equates to about 40% of our population. Naturally we welcome these folks (and their money) with open arms and open borders. If some of them like it and want to stay, well, there's a process for dealing with them that in some cases ends in deportation. "Take back control of our borders" - laughable! ecj won't allow the uk to stop re-entry, so after deportation they can return, if the uk turns them away compensation has to be paid and they can still return the uk has no say....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Rog said: There is the world of difference between tourists and those who want to ponce off us. Personally and like the POTUS I would like to see a complete denial of admission of people from a number of nations but I accept that while although being right I'm possibly in the minority over this. Yes there is and WE ALREADY HAVE the powers and the infrastructure to deal with them. Calais ended up with "The Jungle" for a reason. Can you guess what that reason is? Did you say "Our borders are effectively and efficiently closed to these people so they ended up in Calais" or similar? Well done. That's the right answer..... "Taking back control of our borders" - laughable! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 minute ago, P.K. said: Yes there is and WE ALREADY HAVE the powers and the infrastructure to deal with them. Calais ended up with "The Jungle" for a reason. Can you guess what that reason is? Did you say "Our borders are effectively and efficiently closed to these people so they ended up in Calais" or similar? Well done. That's the right answer..... "Taking back control of our borders" - laughable! the uk pays france tons of money.... calais isn't about eu nationals so has no relevance...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, P.K. said: Yes there is and WE ALREADY HAVE the powers and the infrastructure to deal with them. Calais ended up with "The Jungle" for a reason. Can you guess what that reason is? Did you say "Our borders are effectively and efficiently closed to these people so they ended up in Calais" or similar? Well done. That's the right answer..... "Taking back control of our borders" - laughable! The reason that the Calais scumfeast started grew, and still exists and has been extended to other ports is that the resident scum are in the EU illegally and have not complied with the Dublin convention. The ferry companies will not allow any of them to board so unless they break into a truck they are stuck where they are. The moment one of those criminals and potential criminals put foot on UK soil if discovered they become (bogus) refugees and in most cases were stuck with them for years and for the most part end up "protected" by the criminals charter. There's nothing laughable about wanting control of our borders. Edited July 5, 2018 by Rog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Rog said: The very moment one of those criminals and potential criminals put foot on UK soil if discovered they become (bogus) refugees and in most cases were stuck with them for years and for the most part end up "protected" by the criminals charter. There's nothing laughable about wanting control of our borders. More anecdotal bs as per Nigel Farage as though nothing is being done so we have to "take back control" nonsense. Have some data from Reality Land: "The number of people entering detention in year ending March 2017 decreased by 10% to 28,980 from 32,164 in the previous year. Over the same period there was an 11% decrease in those people leaving detention (from 32,640 to 28,897). As at the end of March 2017, 2,930 people were in detention, similar to the number recorded at the end of March 2016 (2,925). As at 3 April 2017, there were 337 detainees held in prison establishments in England and Wales solely under immigration powers as set out in the Immigration Act 1971 or UK Borders Act 2007. The proportion of detainees being returned or voluntarily departing the UK on leaving detention increased from 45% in year ending March 2016 to 48% in year ending March 2017. The total number of enforced returns from the UK, including those not directly from detention, decreased by 4% to 12,666 in the year ending March 2017 compared with 13,248 in the previous year. This includes 10,969 enforced removals and 1,697 other returns from detention. In the same period, there were 24,786 voluntary returns (excluding returns from detention). Of the 12,666 enforced returns in year ending March 2017, there were 2,352 enforced returns of people who had previously sought asylum, down 26% from the previous year (3,169). In the year ending March 2017, provisional data show that 6,171 Foreign National Offenders (FNOs) were returned compared to 5,810 in the previous year (up 6%)(see Returns table rt_06q). This is the highest number since the series began in 2009 and reflects increasing use of other forms of FNO returns, including those where an offence was committed outside the UK." "Taking back control of our borders" - laughable! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, P.K. said: More anecdotal bs as per Nigel Farage as though nothing is being done so we have to "take back control" nonsense. Have some data from Reality Land: "The number of people entering detention in year ending March 2017 decreased by 10% to 28,980 from 32,164 in the previous year. Over the same period there was an 11% decrease in those people leaving detention (from 32,640 to 28,897). As at the end of March 2017, 2,930 people were in detention, similar to the number recorded at the end of March 2016 (2,925). As at 3 April 2017, there were 337 detainees held in prison establishments in England and Wales solely under immigration powers as set out in the Immigration Act 1971 or UK Borders Act 2007. The proportion of detainees being returned or voluntarily departing the UK on leaving detention increased from 45% in year ending March 2016 to 48% in year ending March 2017. The total number of enforced returns from the UK, including those not directly from detention, decreased by 4% to 12,666 in the year ending March 2017 compared with 13,248 in the previous year. This includes 10,969 enforced removals and 1,697 other returns from detention. In the same period, there were 24,786 voluntary returns (excluding returns from detention). Of the 12,666 enforced returns in year ending March 2017, there were 2,352 enforced returns of people who had previously sought asylum, down 26% from the previous year (3,169). In the year ending March 2017, provisional data show that 6,171 Foreign National Offenders (FNOs) were returned compared to 5,810 in the previous year (up 6%)(see Returns table rt_06q). This is the highest number since the series began in 2009 and reflects increasing use of other forms of FNO returns, including those where an offence was committed outside the UK." "Taking back control of our borders" - laughable! The issue isn't so much about the sewage that are flushed, it's the huge number that are here hidden in plain site or allowed to remain, ponce, and breed based lies they have told. Nothing at all laughable about wanting to be key holder of ones home, or about wanting to get rid of an infestation of vermin in one's home if it's become established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rog said: The issue isn't so much about the sewage that are flushed, it's the huge number that are here hidden in plain site or allowed to remain, ponce, and breed based lies they have told. Nothing at all laughable about wanting to be key holder of ones home, or about wanting to get rid of an infestation of vermin in one's home if it's become established. Can't say I missed you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, P.K. said: "Taking back control of our borders" - laughable! More insufferable boorishness... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Rog said: The issue isn't so much about the sewage that are flushed, it's the huge number that are here hidden in plain site or allowed to remain, ponce, and breed based lies they have told. Nothing at all laughable about wanting to be key holder of ones home, or about wanting to get rid of an infestation of vermin in one's home if it's become established. But you can't put a number on any of it, can you Roger? You can't blame the borders or the EU, can you Roger? I happen to know the UK does a pretty good job at keeping our house in order. Truth to tell in a previous life I spent a lot of time working with Imm & Nat at Lunatic House in Croydon. Hey Roger, before you retire at night you don't look under the bed do you...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Just now, quilp said: More insufferable boorishness... Missed your incisive mind and powers of reasoned debate. Good holiday? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, P.K. said: Missed your incisive mind and powers of reasoned debate. It is virtually impossible to have any reasonable debate with you. If you're not pontificating from that bible of virtue you draw all of your subjective idealism from you're withdrawing on the defensive in comically wounded fashion when someone posts something you don't agree with or proves you wrong. Your post above is typically and predictably condescending... Edited July 5, 2018 by quilp And you're far too up yourself to realise... Lol. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 4 hours ago, ballaughbiker said: Project fear PK (Hey, this type of posting is so easy....) Edit: Sorry, forgot the derisory# #anyoldbollox 100% #fakenews it was announced in 2012 well before any vote that they would start moving production to china..... the cars built in the uk- 20% stay in the uk- 20% go to the eu- 60% go to the rest of the world..... at the moment they pay wto+ eu export tariffs on the 60%, once the uk leaves 80% of sales would be outside the eu, the savings on eu tariffs would be a bigger saving for them than any cost even on a no deal basis...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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