woody2 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 hours ago, John Wright said: That’s your alleged figure for an average on inward food, it’s actually less, but of course there is currently no inward tariff on food entering the UK from the EU and the WTO tariffs would average higher, and apply to EU produced food as well , so there’s only an advantage if UK goes for zero tariffs, and I’ve set out the consequences of that earlier, and you haven’t rebutted. not according to the policy exchange or institute of economic affairs which the figure comes from...... the 17% extra paid due to the single market...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 hours ago, John Wright said: You should feel right at home then, but I thought it was the EUSSR to you? never used that term..... just have a look who the eu named its hq after...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 hours ago, John Wright said: Fully accept that there are unacceptable standards all over the world, and that animals needing constant antibiotics or hormone growth accelerators are receiving poor welfare and shouldn’t enter the food chain. Problem with US standards is the huge industrial warehouse production of beef, dairy, poultry full of growth hormone. Low cost, low quality. And GM? Again I’ve highlighted the dangers of the rush to the bottom price wise, on tax revenues and loss of domestic production ( ignoring production, safety and welfare standards ) and again you don’t engage, just dismiss, because to do so would challenge your beliefs, and you can’t let inconvenient truth do that, can you? It makes you too uncomfortable. So you blunder on, making up “facts” to bolster your beliefs. that's what the unclean eu allow...... already covered that the uk will set the import standards may be you need to learn how to read..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 56 minutes ago, woody2 said: just have a look who the eu named its hq after...... Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, mojomonkey said: Who? Les Dames du Berlaymont - a sinister (fascist?) 300 year old religious order of nuns who ran a girl’s school! But as usual W2 will have a totally different (wrong) explanation because he’s identified a different building, maybe in a different location, as the EU HQ. Edited July 21, 2018 by John Wright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 9 hours ago, woody2 said: animals injected with antibiotics due to the rancid lack of care on eu farms..... same process is banned in the usa...... That is 100% Woodyfact. https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/antibiotics-us-farmers-brexit_uk_5a12ae25e4b045cf43725e51/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/antibiotic-brined-chicken-and-other-bad-ideas-from-us-farming/amp https://www.sustainweb.org/news/feb18_us_farming_antibiotics/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 14 hours ago, woody2 said: the uk has schedules ready to go on leaving as stated in parliament in the last week..... you and fragile don't understand wto, submitting schedules allows trade to continue....... WTO members have to agree what the U.K.’s schedules will be before the U.K. knows what it’s trading position will be. The U.K. submitted proposals offering a proportional spilt of the current common EU schedules - which the EU was also onboard with. The WTO members haven’t agreed to the U.K.’s proposals, and some have already said they will veto those proposals, at least as far as the U.K. goes. Why should they do such a favour for the U.K.? The U.K. will be in a much weaker position and WTO members not only have a duty to get the best deal possible for their own economies, but many of them would relish the chance to stick the boot in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 16 hours ago, mojomonkey said: Who? altiero spinelli..... 15 hours ago, John Wright said: Les Dames du Berlaymont - a sinister (fascist?) 300 year old religious order of nuns who ran a girl’s school! But as usual W2 will have a totally different (wrong) explanation because he’s identified a different building, maybe in a different location, as the EU HQ. the main building in brussels is the parliament which is named after altiero spinelli..... #johnswrongagain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 13 hours ago, Freggyragh said: WTO members have to agree what the U.K.’s schedules will be before the U.K. knows what it’s trading position will be. The U.K. submitted proposals offering a proportional spilt of the current common EU schedules - which the EU was also onboard with. The WTO members haven’t agreed to the U.K.’s proposals, and some have already said they will veto those proposals, at least as far as the U.K. goes. Why should they do such a favour for the U.K.? The U.K. will be in a much weaker position and WTO members not only have a duty to get the best deal possible for their own economies, but many of them would relish the chance to stick the boot in. you still don't get it it doesn't work like that..... i'll give you a clue since your so thick, the eu and the usa have both submitted new tariffs in the last few weeks (aka the trade war) yet are still trading...... why...... because according to you that's impossible .... let's not forget you also said the uk wasn't a member...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, woody2 said: the main building in brussels is the parliament To be fair, it must take a fair bit of effort on his part to leave just enough retcon wriggle room in every woodyfact. It's kind of admirable...no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Just now, Bobbie Bobster said: To be fair, it must take a fair bit of effort on his part to leave just enough retcon wriggle room in every woodyfact. It's kind of admirable...no? nurse let you on the computer again..... what would you call the hq? since your very old i'll give you a clue-the eu says its the parliament...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Jeez, someone can't take a complement! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 remoans keep saying the uk can control its border..... yet mention of controls on the n.i. border and they are like you can't put controls in.... #batsh1tcrazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phat Tog Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Going back a few days, Varadkar seems to have got off lightly on here after his strop about UK flights not being allowed to use Irish air space if there's no deal. I make no claim about expertise in international air travel but is that not down to the EU but decided by an international treaty signed over 70 years ago? He also hasn't taken into account how many Irish flights have to overfly UK air space every day. Do you think he's getting a little rattled? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) The argument is a bit like this in UK terms. where is the main location of the UK government? Whitehall? Westminster? Downing Street? There is a distinction between the legislative (parliament), executive (cabinet) or administration (government departments and civil servants) W2, who doesn’t recognise the EU parliament has any powers, or that it sits in Brussels and Strasbourg, doesn’t distinguish between division of powers, now claims the parliament is the HQ. so, let’s remind ourselves of the question.. 19 hours ago, woody2 said: just have a look who the eu named its hq after...... There is no doubt the HQ of the EU is the Commission. That’s at Berlaymont. If he’d meant Parliament that’s the question to ask. And the answer is that it’s formal location is fixed by the treaties as Strasbourg for plenaries, with additional sittings, and most committees in Brussels. As for Spinelli he was an communist anti fascist interned by Mussolini and later a euro communist. He broke with Russia before WW2 in protest of Stalinist purges. So what’s your point W2? If your point was that Spinelli and his politics justifies the EUSSR tag, the facts don’t bear that out. Edited July 22, 2018 by John Wright 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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