P.K. Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 will somebody please quote that so he can see it Eh? I can see his posts if I want but why would I bother...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Putting a poster on ignore is defeatism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 (remember she wanted to ban porn until it turned out her husband was charging hotel porn movies to her MP account That was Jacqui Smith wasn't it? Home Secretary in the fabulous Broon government. Good God. Don't tell me rmanx has his facts wrong. I can believe many things but I'm not having that. He's having a 'mare today. I think it might be time for him to move to another sock puppet to have another crack on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) Poverty is a difficult concept to measure. It isn't when you're living in it..... It is. I've had some although I didn't think so at the time, because it is relative. I was perfectly happy as a kid but my household would have been termed "deprived" by the great and the good. It is also subjective. As you can see from the link, there is little agreement as to the parameters of measurement. I spoke at Communist Party meetings as a young member, and I've made all of the arguments from the far left perspective. I'm interested why you used the expression " my household would have been termed "deprived" by the great and the good" Surely you are either deprived or you're not? No. It's totally subjective and that's the point I was trying to make. As average incomes have risen, the level of income qualifying as relative poverty has naturally risen too. So there is always someone worse off who thinks you are doing well even if those in the top quartile of income levels see you as living in penury. Edited March 3, 2017 by woolley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Putting a poster on ignore is defeatism. In your opinion. Which I have to say I don't think much of. I currently have 4 on ignore and all for the same reason - they never post anything I think is worth a reply. The route you are on it would seem i.e. bringing nothing to the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Why would you put people who disagree with you on ignore? What is the point of only reading stuff you agree with? I could put everyone who does not share my centre-right views on ignore, but what a bore that would be. Don't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 It's nothing to do with things I disagree with. An assumption you have made that is totally unfounded and completely untrue. After all, it's difficult to disagree with pathetic personal attacks probably made because the poster gets off on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I get off on a lot of things, but manxforums isn't one of them. Unless it's Kathy Brighton. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 It's nothing to do with things I disagree with. An assumption you have made that is totally unfounded and completely untrue. After all, it's difficult to disagree with pathetic personal attacks probably made because the poster gets off on it... But like you said, it's just some bloke on the internet. It doesn't really matter, so why worry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) It's nothing to do with things I disagree with. An assumption you have made that is totally unfounded and completely untrue. After all, it's difficult to disagree with pathetic personal attacks probably made because the poster gets off on it... But it's an anonymous poster attacking another anonymous poster online. There's nothing personal about it. ETA; Just saw that Woolley said more or less the same thing. Edited March 2, 2017 by Lxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 It's nothing to do with things I disagree with. An assumption you have made that is totally unfounded and completely untrue. After all, it's difficult to disagree with pathetic personal attacks probably made because the poster gets off on it... But like you said, it's just some bloke on the internet. It doesn't really matter, so why worry? And just who is worried? If I don't like what can be interesting debates being fagged up by some mindless twat posting their gibberish, well, it's what the "ignore" feature is for. You do what suits you. I do what suits me. Everybody wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) No. It's totally subjective and that's the point I was trying to make. As average incomes have risen, the level of income qualifying as relative poverty has naturally risen too. So there is always someone worse off who thinks you are doing well even if those in the top quartile of income levels so you as living in penury. As I believe I have posted before I used to spend my xmas working at a "Crisis at Christmas" centre. Believe me you know real poverty when all the folks there have got are the "clothes" they are stood up in. And I've had several trips to India over the years. I disagree with your synopsis though. If you can hardly afford anything then the ONLY effect a general rise in income has on you is that you end up with less! Because prices and wages tend to follow one another. You can see it in the direct effect of regressive taxation like Gideon's rise in VAT back in 2011. A point made by that nice Richard Murphy http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2011/01/04/why-vat-is-regressive/ ETA : time this thread got back on track. I'll think about it while I'm quaffing pints in The Albion @ Chester Edited March 2, 2017 by P.K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 If I don't like what can be interesting debates being fagged up by some mindless twat posting their gibberish, well, it's what the "ignore" feature is for. Thing is, it doesn't take long when, in a debate with you, it is reduced to derogatory terms such as "some mindless twat" (see above), or "xenophobic, thick as... etc. (ad nauseum, see PK passim), and it's not just with me or woolley, et al. The, provocative, 'down-the-nose' manner you adopt with an air of superior enlightenment doesn't make you an attractive prospect for reasoned debate. It's not very interesting and stifles debate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 If I don't like what can be interesting debates being fagged up by some mindless twat posting their gibberish, well, it's what the "ignore" feature is for. Thing is, it doesn't take long when, in a debate with you, it is reduced to derogatory terms such as "some mindless twat" (see above), or "xenophobic, thick as... etc. (ad nauseum, see PK passim), and it's not just with me or woolley, et al. The, provocative, 'down-the-nose' manner you adopt with an air of superior enlightenment doesn't make you an attractive prospect for reasoned debate. It's not very interesting and stifles debate. So put me on "ignore" - sorted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (remember she wanted to ban porn until it turned out her husband was charging hotel porn movies to her MP account That was Jacqui Smith wasn't it? Home Secretary in the fabulous Broon government. Good God. Don't tell me rmanx has his facts wrong. I can believe many things but I'm not having that. He's having a 'mare today. I think it might be time for him to move to another sock puppet to have another crack on here. At least I have the strength of my conviction to post under my own name you spinless fuck. I am ditching the rmanx profile and using this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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