John Wright Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: Like a lot of woodyfacts there is a trace of a story within. Apparently Turkey asked for free movement of workers in exchange for a trade deal. That was a year or two back and nothing became of it and given the present political position there, I doubt it ever will. No, it was related to Turkey keeping refugees instead of them crossing into the EU. And it was a 90 day tourist visa waiver scheme for Schengen only. The last talks were in June this year. They are bogged down because the EU isn’t happy with Turkish law on detention and trial of terror suspects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Migrant crisis: EU-Turkey deal comes into effect https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35854413 another murderess merkel mess...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 and once in the eu anyone can apply for a eu i.d. card and travel anywhere including the uk...... schengen is a remoaner myth- it doesn't protect the uk from immigrants....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 3 hours ago, woody2 said: Migrant crisis: EU-Turkey deal comes into effect https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35854413 another murderess merkel mess...... an agreement coming into effect means its been signed and is being implemented. However the Visa free travel part has not been implemented and will probably never be. You said Turks had free travel, they don't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 3 hours ago, woody2 said: and once in the eu anyone can apply for a eu i.d. card and travel anywhere including the uk...... schengen is a remoaner myth- it doesn't protect the uk from immigrants....... 1. No you can't.Getting an ID card that doesn't show that you are an alien, and your origins is difficult, and cannot be done on a visa waiver or a tourist visa. You have to get the right to remain permanently in the country issuing the ID card. 2. It most definitely isn't a myth, UK and Ireland still have border controls, as do all non Schengen countries. The fact that Home Office, Borders Agency and their predecessors have been crap at checking is a different issue entirely, and one that brexit wont cure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 30 days according to the ecj...... member state do have different rules..... poland and germany are giving them out like confetti..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 more good news in #exitland....... UK unemployment at lowest since 1975 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45181079 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, woody2 said: more good news in #exitland....... A shrinking workforce and fewer people who are economically active is not "good news". It's bad news for the economy and it means fewer people paying tax. Less money for schools and hospitals. Edited August 16, 2018 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Many argue that Brexit is not about the economy. That's because they are either rich or stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, pongo said: A shrinking workforce and fewer people who are economically active is not "good news..." Where is this "shrinking workforce?" A quick scan of ONS figures suggests you're wrong. How have you formed your opinion? And, if unemployment figures have dropped, doesn't this mean that there are actually more people who're "economically active?" #remoanicosis... Edited August 16, 2018 by quilp ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, pongo said: A shrinking workforce and fewer people who are economically active is not "good news". It's bad news for the economy and it means fewer people paying tax. Less money for schools and hospitals. https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/timeseries/mgrz/lms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 How does that correlate to population increase? The percentage of population in employment is actually the interesting thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Comparing it to 1975 is the rub. It was a terrible year with things associated with future Brexit predictions ie doom and gloom already extant. Inflation 25%, strikes, disruptions, bolshie unions. Items in supermarkets carried multiple sticky price labels one on top of the other because of inflation. Prices went up by the hour. Comparing it to 1975 is like saying 1941 was a good year compared to 1940. In 1975 I was often stranded between stations when drivers worked to rule on the trains. I suppose they chose 1975 because that is when had a referendum about staying in the then EEC. Propaganda. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, quilp said: Where is this "shrinking workforce?" A quick scan of ONS figures suggests you're wrong. How have you formed your opinion? The UK's "shrinking workforce" is referenced in the BBC article Woody has linked to above. Also here. That took me to the summary of the latest ONS report which is here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/articles/labourmarketeconomiccommentary/august2018 Quote The number of economically active people fell from 33.77 million in the first quarter (Jan to Mar) of 2018 to 33.75 million in the second quarter (Apr to June). The 35 to 49 years age group had the largest number of active people (11.14 million), and the highest economic activity rate (87.5%). Compared with the previous quarter, the 18 to 24 years age group experienced the largest decrease in economic activity. Those aged 65 years and older experienced the largest increase in economic activity, up by 30,000 on the quarter. The number of inactive people increased by 77,000 to 8.74 million in the second quarter. The inactivity rate increased after two consecutive quarters of declining. Analysis by age group shows that inactivity among 16- to 17-year-olds decreased, but it increased among all other age groups. The largest increase in inactivity occurred in the 18 to 24 years age group, which increased by 39,000 on the quarter. Shrinking workforce relative the total size of the population helps explain why there are so many unfilled vacancies. That's not good for the economy. It also means employers have fewer choices. Also - more people have to work till they die. But these are only trends and indicators so far. Woody is confusing the size of the workforce with the number of people in jobs. Edited August 16, 2018 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: Comparing it to 1975 is the rub. It was a terrible year with things associated with future Brexit predictions ie doom and gloom already extant. Inflation 25%, strikes, disruptions, bolshie unions. Items in supermarkets carried multiple sticky price labels one on top of the other because of inflation. Prices went up by the hour. Comparing it to 1975 is like saying 1941 was a good year compared to 1940. In 1975 I was often stranded between stations when drivers worked to rule on the trains. I suppose they chose 1975 because that is when had a referendum about staying in the then EEC. Propaganda. they used 1975 because that's when it was last down to these levels..... nothing more..... Edited August 16, 2018 by woody2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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