TheTeapot Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, woody2 said: just look at uni's- funding reduced to british citizens so they can fund more free places for eu scum..... Soft and cuddly, like a teddy bear, you're just so lovely woody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, mojomonkey said: and? Even if that is true it does not alter what I said. Rightly or wrongly the EU does not have a responsibility to actually do anything. The ball is firmly in the UK's court, what they do with it is up to them. it does..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, ballaughbiker said: We agreed on the procedure to leave and we controlled the timetable by initiating, at a time of our choice, a.50 of the Lisbon Treaty which was signed by one G Brown and D Miliband. the eu protocol was written after the referendum..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, TheTeapot said: Soft and cuddly, like a teddy bear, you're just so lovely woody. i hear your mum baked you a cake when you went to uni.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, ballaughbiker said: I see common regulation and standards harmonisation hugely important too but we never seem to get cross about those. sounds great- but they have never existed across the eu........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, woody2 said: it does..... Show me some proof of that then. "Article 50 states: Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements. 2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. 3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period. 4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it. A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. 5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49." Whilst it says that the Union (EU) shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with the State (UK) it also basically says that if nothing is agreed within two years (unless extended by agreement) that’s that. I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do but the EU can just put their deal to the UK, if the UK doesn’t want to accept the EU is not obliged to change the deal. There’s your no deal Brexit you hanker after. Basically if the UK wants a deal they have to submit to EU. Edited October 15, 2018 by mojomonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, quilp said: How do you know this will be the case, with such seemingly obvious certainty, in the long term? Would you not agree that the bloc has been intent on deliberate obstruction and obfuscation in setting out the guide lines? It has been a one-sided affair as far as I can see... Because of the process established by Art 50, because of what we are signed up to, and will lose at 23.00 on 29 March 2019, with nothing in place, apart perhaps from a trade deal with the EU, not with the other 60+ countries we currently have trade ( and other deals ) with through the EU, and the 20+ in the pipeline. We start with nothing. We throw away 45 years of very beneficial development and put nothing in its place. This explains it in detail. https://www.docdroid.net/file/download/m3YvOS5/brexit-truth-revised.pdf We do know, and those who say we don’t are misguided, but less misguided than the charlatans like Farage, Rees-Mogg, Johnson, etc, who promise an undeliverable land of milk and honey. And no, the EU hasn’t been obstructive. UK wants out. Art 50, which UK drafted, says how that happens. it’s up to UK to have worked out what it wanted, and presented a coherent plan. It hasn’t, it won’t, it can’t. Mainly because the Tory party is split, May is just a fall girl. Edited October 15, 2018 by John Wright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 hours ago, quilp said: How do you know this will be the case, with such seemingly obvious certainty, in the long term? Would you not agree that the bloc has been intent on deliberate obstruction and obfuscation in setting out the guide lines? It has been a one-sided affair as far as I can see... I thought the above post was absolutely hilarious. It's brexiteer simple: "You can't polish a turd....." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 hours ago, mojomonkey said: Show me some proof of that then. "Article 50 states: Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements. 2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. 3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period. 4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it. A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. 5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49." Whilst it says that the Union (EU) shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with the State (UK) it also basically says that if nothing is agreed within two years (unless extended by agreement) that’s that. I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do but the EU can just put their deal to the UK, if the UK doesn’t want to accept the EU is not obliged to change the deal. There’s your no deal Brexit you hanker after. Basically if the UK wants a deal they have to submit to EU. it clearly states the eu has to do something...... don't forget the eu has cherry picked want it wants from the uk....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, John Wright said: Because of the process established by Art 50, because of what we are signed up to, and will lose at 23.00 on 29 March 2019, with nothing in place, apart perhaps from a trade deal with the EU, not with the other 60+ countries we currently have trade ( and other deals ) with through the EU, and the 20+ in the pipeline. We start with nothing. We throw away 45 years of very beneficial development and put nothing in its place. This explains it in detail. https://www.docdroid.net/file/download/m3YvOS5/brexit-truth-revised.pdf We do know, and those who say we don’t are misguided, but less misguided than the charlatans like Farage, Rees-Mogg, Johnson, etc, who promise an undeliverable land of milk and honey. And no, the EU hasn’t been obstructive. UK wants out. Art 50, which UK drafted, says how that happens. it’s up to UK to have worked out what it wanted, and presented a coherent plan. It hasn’t, it won’t, it can’t. Mainly because the Tory party is split, May is just a fall girl. wrong again..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Bet that link wasn't even read JW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 26 minutes ago, woody2 said: don't forget the eu has cherry picked want it wants from the uk....... Don’t fret old chum, the U.K. holds all the cards, it’ll be the easiest deal in history. Don’t forget, they need us more than we need them - or has the face-palm moment finally arrived? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Is it legal in Britain to ask someone at a job interview whether they support Brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 What, as some sort of intelligence test? Or to see if they actually need a job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: What, as some sort of intelligence test? Or to see if they actually need a job? I suppose it would be about finding out what sort of person they are. Whether they fit. And you could typically get a clue what they are like from the style of their answer. Not whether they are for or against per se - but for their reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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