woody2 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: The term "crash" refers to the possibility of "No deal"...As I said Reality Check Correspondent do listen. its a remoaner word- its not a crash when you know the time and date........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, woody2 said: its a remoaner word- its not a crash when you know the time and date........ Crash relates to the impact not the timing. The 'plane crashed on landing and was on schedule... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, woody2 said: care to tell us when 20XX is...... Having a clause to extend the transition does not make it invalid. It would not be surprising if there are minor amendments to the agreement before it actually gets to a vote in December(?). The agreement actually states that "in accordance with Article 132 of the Withdrawal Agreement, the transition period may be extended by mutual consent" 7 minutes ago, woody2 said: it did- may's failed to deliver....... It did? As in the referendum question specifically set out what that precisely meant? Maybe in your world but not in mine. I would expect an explanation of what leaving would entail and result in being more than just one sentence. Edited November 16, 2018 by mojomonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 I note the Common Travel Area is to be upheld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: Crash relates to the impact not the timing. The 'plane crashed on landing and was on schedule... but you don't know the impact-try again....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Having a clause to extend the transition does not make it invalid. It would not be surprising if there are minor amendments to the agreement before it actually gets to a vote in December(?). it does when it keeps eu control going forever.........which is why everyone doesn't like it........ 3 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: It did? As in the referendum question specifically set out what that precisely meant? Maybe in your world but not in mine. I would expect an explanation of what leaving would entail and result in being more than just one sentence. leave or stay....... couldn't be clearer...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: I note the Common Travel Area is to be upheld. always was going to be same as the gfa....... eu doesn't have the right to interfere........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, woody2 said: but you don't know the impact-try again....... No one knows the impact and this is why the present situation is open ended hence the comment that the EU is a set of legal constructs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, woody2 said: always was going to be same as the gfa....... eu doesn't have the right to interfere........ No one said the EU had the right to interfere but it was in doubt as to the UK's attitude and the same is the subject of a vast academic paper to be read on the Westminster website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: No one knows the impact so don't use the word crash then....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, woody2 said: so don't use the word crash then....... Every one else does because they understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: No one said the EU had the right to interfere but it was in doubt as to the UK's attitude and the same is the subject of a vast academic paper to be read on the Westminster website. the only thing would be to get ireland to withdraw....... good luck with that......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, Barrie Stevens said: Every one else does because they understand remoaners do- no one else- see jrm....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, woody2 said: it does when it keeps eu control going forever.........which is why everyone doesn't like it........ It clearly says that it has to be mutual agreement. Either side can say no more extension, they cannot force the other side. It works both ways. 16 minutes ago, woody2 said: leave or stay....... couldn't be clearer...... That is an overly simplistic view of it, the end result is very clear but what that precisely meant was not. As in what would happen to all the issues such as trade, movement, health, shared law, etc. No one knew what would actually happen, mainly because the Government that put forward the referendum did not know what they would do if the result was leave. It was leave and the whole shitstorm started where no side would be satisfied with the outcome. The blame lies with the elected members. As I said earlier I think there should have been some outline of the likely of what would happen in terms of actual agreement. There wasn’t, we are where we are and so on. Edited November 16, 2018 by mojomonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 JRM was on the box last night once again claiming that the £39bn divorce bill had purchasing power for a better deal. The issue is that idiots might start believing him and his ERG nonsense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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