So the UK is finished says Theresa Mayhem

[Freggyragh]

47 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

This woman is shameless, ok she has done her best whilst being bullied by the EU elite but she must know her solution will not get through parliament so why is she continuing this charade ?

Because she promised Brexit and this is the best she can do. 

[P.K.]

27 minutes ago, Freggyragh said:

Because she promised Brexit and this is the best she can do. 

We had the best deal in the best trading bloc on the planet.

Anything other than the current arrangement is ALWAYS going to fall short of that.

So the only question left is "How far short of the best deal around is going to be enough to mollify the fucking idiots who voted for an unknown outcome?"

Because nothing could possibly be worse than the "no deal" crash-out.

Twats.....

[Freggyragh]

If they get blue passports they’ll probably be happy for a while. The more worrying question is who will be their next target of hate? 

[ballaughbiker]

@ PK - But it wasn't really 'an unknown' outcome PK. We had the Mail, Express and Sun and to a lesser extent, the Telegraph telling us for 20 years that the EU was the source of all our woes and giving us a simplistic answer to a very complicated question.  Then up pops farage who spotted an opportunity mainly caused  by the austerity prompted by 2007-on. He just built on the gutter press' message and now millions believe his mantra that if only we can get out all will be fabulous and all issues will be fixed.

Only now is it really becoming apparent that much of project fear is slowly happening. Sure there was some nonsense preached by remain but in the main, it is generally coming true and I regret I think it will be even more so if we crash out. Only now are  phone in programs asking for opinion of people actually working daily with the EU and its regulations and their views about how this will pan out  is not good news. In fact there are so many snags of leaving that none of us thought about as we were not told before the referendum. 

Only this morning did farage say for the umpteenth time that we shouldn't want to be dictated to by a bunch of unelected old men. His job is sowing discontent. His job is creating division and he's  good at it but please  let's stop saying stuff like your post above. Some very sharp people have been cleverly hoodwinked and it is only really becoming apparent now, how much.

A no deal would be a disaster. There we do agree. However, even the most fanatical leavers must surely realise all the promises of the snake oil salesmen is not built on much that's verifiable. 

[P.K.]

13 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said:

@ PK - But it wasn't really 'an unknown' outcome PK. We had the Mail, Express and Sun and to a lesser extent, the Telegraph telling us for 20 years that the EU was the source of all our woes and giving us a simplistic answer to a very complicated question.  Then up pops farage who spotted an opportunity mainly caused  by the austerity prompted by 2007-on. He just built on the gutter press' message and now millions believe his mantra that if only we can get out all will be fabulous and all issues will be fixed.

Only now is it really becoming apparent that much of project fear is slowly happening. Sure there was some nonsense preached by remain but in the main, it is generally coming true and I regret I think it will be even more so if we crash out. Only now are  phone in programs asking for opinion of people actually working daily with the EU and its regulations and their views about how this will pan out  is not good news. In fact there are so many snags of leaving that none of us thought about as we were not told before the referendum. 

Only this morning did farage say for the umpteenth time that we shouldn't want to be dictated to by a bunch of unelected old men. His job is sowing discontent. His job is creating division and he's  good at it but please  let's stop saying stuff like your post above. Some very sharp people have been cleverly hoodwinked and it is only really becoming apparent now, how much.

A no deal would be a disaster. There we do agree. However, even the most fanatical leavers must surely realise all the promises of the snake oil salesmen is not built on much that's verifiable. 

According to W2 your last sentence is bollox.

I'll think about the rest though.

\later

[ballaughbiker]

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According to W2 your last sentence is bollox.

Of course, that's a given along with all the expected name calling and derision. However anyone more rational might just like to go back and look what was 'promised' and by whom and now try and match it to today's reality.

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I'll think about the rest though.

No rush.....

[John Wright]

18 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said:

@ PK - But it wasn't really 'an unknown' outcome PK. We had the Mail, Express and Sun and to a lesser extent, the Telegraph telling us for 20 years that the EU was the source of all our woes and giving us a simplistic answer to a very complicated question.  Then up pops farage who spotted an opportunity mainly caused  by the austerity prompted by 2007-on. He just built on the gutter press' message and now millions believe his mantra that if only we can get out all will be fabulous and all issues will be fixed.

Only now is it really becoming apparent that much of project fear is slowly happening. Sure there was some nonsense preached by remain but in the main, it is generally coming true and I regret I think it will be even more so if we crash out. Only now are  phone in programs asking for opinion of people actually working daily with the EU and its regulations and their views about how this will pan out  is not good news. In fact there are so many snags of leaving that none of us thought about as we were not told before the referendum. 

Only this morning did farage say for the umpteenth time that we shouldn't want to be dictated to by a bunch of unelected old men. His job is sowing discontent. His job is creating division and he's  good at it but please  let's stop saying stuff like your post above. Some very sharp people have been cleverly hoodwinked and it is only really becoming apparent now, how much.

A no deal would be a disaster. There we do agree. However, even the most fanatical leavers must surely realise all the promises of the snake oil salesmen is not built on much that's verifiable. 

100% correct.

Two things.

First we’ve not been reminded for 40 years what the EEC, EC, EU project is about, what it’s acheived and how successful it’s been. It wasn’t used in the referendum at all, as if we are ashamed of integration for peace and prosperity. The difficulty in extracting is the best evidence of how well it has worked.

Second the irony of one out of touch unelected old man ( well except to the EU parliament which he despises ) criticising other unelected  old men  ( who have held the highest elected offices across many countries and have been nominated by elected governments ) shouldn’t be lost on anyone. 

[ballaughbiker]

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Second the irony of one out of touch unelected old man ( well except to the EU parliament which he despises ) criticising other unelected  old men  ( who have held the highest elected offices across many countries and have been nominated by elected governments ) shouldn’t be lost on anyone. 

Fabulous.....

[Freggyragh]

1 hour ago, John Wright said:

100% correct.

Two things.

First we’ve not been reminded for 40 years what the EEC, EC, EU project is about, what it’s acheived and how successful it’s been. It wasn’t used in the referendum at all, as if we are ashamed of integration for peace and prosperity. The difficulty in extracting is the best evidence of how well it has worked.

Second the irony of one out of touch unelected old man ( well except to the EU parliament which he despises ) criticising other unelected  old men  ( who have held the highest elected offices across many countries and have been nominated by elected governments ) shouldn’t be lost on anyone. 

If you’re talking about Farage he only looks old. He was only 42 when he became leader of UKIP, 52 at the time of the referendum, and he’s only 54 now. He’s younger than Brad Pitt. 

[P.K.]

9 hours ago, ballaughbiker said:

Only this morning did farage say for the umpteenth time that we shouldn't want to be dictated to by a bunch of unelected old men. His job is sowing discontent. His job is creating division and he's  good at it but please  let's stop saying stuff like your post above. Some very sharp people have been cleverly hoodwinked and it is only really becoming apparent now, how much.

A no deal would be a disaster. There we do agree. However, even the most fanatical leavers must surely realise all the promises of the snake oil salesmen is not built on much that's verifiable. 

The people I was referring to who need to be " mollified" by the Maybot's deal are, of course, this crowd:

David Davis Liam Fox David Gauke Michael Gove Chris Grayling Sajid Javid Andrea Leadsom Brandon Lewis Penny Mordaunt Bim Afolami Steve Baker Guto Bebb Andrew Bridgen Christopher Chope James Cleverly Therese Coffey Robert Courts Jonathan Djanogly Jackie Doyle-Price James Duddridge Iain Duncan Smith Charlie Elphicke Suella Fernandes Mark Field Mark Francois Chris Heaton-Harris Bernard Jenkin Eleanor Laing Pauline Latham Brandon Lewis Tim Loughton Craig Mackinlay Kit Malthouse Stephen McPartland Nigel Mills James Morris Owen Paterson John Penrose Chris Pincher Jacob Rees-Mogg Alec Shelbrooke Henry Smith Desmond Swayne Michael Tomlinson Martin Vickers David Warburton Bill Wiggin Mike Wood.

Yes they're the ERG. It was formed as a response to The Maastricht Treaty where the UK came away with the best deal in town. Go figure. The group are under no obligation to reveal their membership but the worryingly large number above have all submitted expense claims with a contribution to the upkeep of the ERG.

They actually believe that if the UK crashes out then a no deal brexit will give the UK economy an £80bn boost.

It gets worse. The ERG submitted a letter to the Maybot to stick to certain principles. It was signed by 62 MPs many not on the above list which shows the depth of ERG support in the tory party. The signatories:

 Lucy Allan Sir David Amess Richard Bacon Kemi Badenoch Sir Henry Bellingham Bob Blackman Peter Bone Andrew Bridgen Sir Bill Cash Simon Clarke Colin Clark David Davies Philip Davies Leo Docherty Nadine Dorries Richard Drax James Duddridge Nigel Evans Marcus Fysh James Gray Chris Green John Hayes Gordon Henderson Philip Hollobone Adam Holloway Eddie Hughes Alister Jack Sir Bernard Jenkin Andrea Jenkyns David Jones Daniel Kawczynski Stephen Kerr Andrew Lewer Dr Julian Lewis Julia Lopez Jack Lopresti Craig Mackinlay Rachel Maclean Anne Marie Morris Matthew Offord Priti Patel John Penrose John Redwood Andrew Rosindell

In recent times a good few from both lists have spouted the most appalling bollox on national media.

When you consider both lists of folks that the Maybots deal has to satisfy then you get an idea of the scale of the problem.

Which is why "no deal" is a likely outcome....

[ballaughbiker]

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They actually believe that if the UK crashes out then a no deal brexit will give the UK economy an £80bn boost.

Did they mention the projected loss of tax from the city which is remarkably the same figure. Yep, £80bn

This figure is allegedly derived from companies who have plans in place to leave London and will be paying tax in the EU in the future should there be no deal.

Edited November 19, 2018 by ballaughbiker
have plans in place

[P.K.]

THE UK has reached a Brexit crossroads, but which ill-advised choice will we make and which completely avoidable shitshow will we stumble idiotically into?

May deal passed by Commons

This scenario, requiring half of Labour, most of the Tories and fuck it the SNP to back a Brexit deal way worse than our status quo, condemns Britain to a twilit half-life trapped in and out of the EU like a ghost haunting the place of its murder waiting for someone to investigate but nobody is.

May deal rejected by Commons

This scenario, considered extremely likely because everyone a) hates Theresa May and b) wants to see what will happen, gives the prime minister 21 days to come up with a new deal. 21 days for someone whose last new idea was in 1998. Come on. That’ll be worth watching.

May replaced as leader by extreme Brexiter

Expected to make the EU quake in terror, it will instead cause them to walk away from negotiations muttering “Fuck this,” and seal the Channel Tunnel with concrete. Britain will then enjoy a wonderful, nostalgic re-run of its glory days in George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four. 

Extension of Article 50

The EU decides, given the level of the debate so far, to treat Britain like a toddler told he can definitely drive Daddy’s car next weekend. Consecutive indefinite extensions will leave Britain delighted it’s getting its Brexit without realising it will never arrive.

Second referendum

Forcing Nigel Farage out of retirement like Rambo in the 2008 film, this restages the referendum on the basis that enough people have come to their senses or died since then. Overestimating the intelligence and underestimating the death wish of the UK sees the same result returned, to the exact vote.

War

After a saintly couple of centuries of not invading Europe or only doing it to be nice, Britain returns to its comfort zone and starts wars with France, Portugal, Spain, the Netherlands and Belgium. Everyone sighs with relief that things are back how they used to be.....

[woody2]

17 hours ago, Freggyragh said:

The special summit of EU leaders takes place next Sunday - so hard brexiters have less than a week to invent a ‘frictionless, technological’ border - otherwise it’s same as you were, without any influence, and a £10B if you want to renegotiate and get told NO again. 

its already in use.......

[P.K.]

1 hour ago, woody2 said:

its already in use.......

Link?

[John Wright]

20 minutes ago, P.K. said:

Link?

There isn’t one because it’s a #woodyfact #fakenews