P.K. Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 On 10/6/2018 at 12:10 PM, P.K. said: Accidentally ended up looking at some figures numbers. In the last year there have been 277,000 non-EU folks coming to the UK. Also 101,000 EU citizens which is down on previous years due, of course, to brexit uncertainty. Before the brexit-blinded play the "Migrants forced on us by the EU" nonsensical card just 21,666 were refugees seeking asylum. The others are work-placements and those here to study etc etc. Of the refugees seeking asylum 15,430 had their applications refused and were returned. Which is around the 70% mark. Ironically it seems that the shortage of EU workers has meant more non-EU migrants coming here. What a fucking HOOT that is! "Taking back control of our borders" - Errrrrr... Yeah... Right..... Another little snippet: " According to the government’s latest review on immigration, by the Migration Advisory Committee (MAC), immigrants contribute more to the public purse on average than native-born Britons do. Moreover, European newcomers are the most lucrative group among them. The MAC reckons that each additional migrant from the European Economic Area (EEA) will make a total contribution to the public purse of approximately £78,000 over his or her lifetime (in 2017 prices). Last year, the average adult migrant from the EEA yielded £2,370 more for the Treasury than the average British-born adult did. Even so, the MAC recommended refining the current immigration system to remove the cap on high-skilled migrants and also said that no special treatment should be given to EU citizens." Those bloody foreigners! Coming over here with their................ work ethic. Would a brexiteer, let's face it there's enough of them on here, please explain how "taking back control of our borders" will somehow magically alter the amount of labour the country clearly has a shortfall of? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 43 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: In the absence of anything else other than #Woodyfacts I’ll go with the ons figures thanks. Interesting that you highlighted the number for non-British born - 15.6 million. If only 3.8 million of these are from the U.K. then over 75% of immigration is not from the EU at all. It seems to me the U.K. has either chosen to allow these people in (invited them to come back in the fifties and sixties) or chosen not to enforce the rules that it had complete control over - probably because they deem immigration to be good for the economy. from your link...... "Estimates from the Labour Force Survey" not fact.... the numbers in the uk are based on a airport survey- not fact....... anyone that says they are not staying longer than 12 months aren't counted...... anyone who stays in the uk after a number of years is also not counted..... the eu has a different figure so does the last census....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, P.K. said: #fakenews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Remarkable simplicity of "thought" to assume that if you aren't working you are a drain on the economy. Ever considered it is possible to support yourself financially?...... Nah, it's much easier to conveniently forget that to enable regular use of the "scum" epithet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: Remarkable simplicity of "thought" to assume that if you aren't working you are a drain on the economy. Ever considered it is possible to support yourself financially?...... Nah, it's much easier to conveniently forget that to enable regular use of the "scum" epithet. doesn't really effect the cost to gov of around £15k pppy if they live off savings..... service still have to be paid for........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 34 minutes ago, woody2 said: #fakenews #fakebrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Quote doesn't really effect the cost to gov of around £15k pppy if they live off savings..... service still have to be paid for........ Name those services to which you have just referred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Freggyragh said: In the absence of anything else other than #Woodyfacts I’ll go with the ons figures thanks. Interesting that you highlighted the number for non-British born - 15.6 million. If only 3.8 million of these are from the U.K. then over 75% of immigration is not from the EU at all. It seems to me the U.K. has either chosen to allow these people in (invited them to come back in the fifties and sixties) or chosen not to enforce the rules that it had complete control over - probably because they deem immigration to be good for the economy. for correction...... the 15.6m is residents, so it would be plus the guestimate of 3.8m immigrants...... 50/50 split of eu/rest of world so...... 7.8+3.8=11.6 million...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, ballaughbiker said: Name those services to which you have just referred. you want me to name all of the gov. services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I would like you to justify the £15k pppy figure that is paid to supposedly support a wealthy self funding EU migrant. Without justification it is just another woodyfact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: I would like you to justify the £15k pppy figure that is paid to supposedly support a wealthy self funding EU migrant. Without justification it is just another woodyfact. its a approx figure....... police,fire,nhs,schools etc...... the list is massive..... or do you think one rich eu person doesn't cost the same pppy in gov. spending as the millions of eu scum....... its the average costs of providing services across the board....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 do 93% of imports into the eu have eu tariffs placed on them??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? its a question remoaners........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Firstly, before answering your ridiculous claim, define"EU scum". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 20 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: Firstly, before answering your ridiculous claim, define"EU scum". eu scum........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 That aint a definition and you know it. What do you mean when you label someone "EU scum"? What attributes do then have or not have that separates the people you so describe to others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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