P.K. Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, woolley said: Ah. What is this? Perhaps we are making progress. We will still be trading after all. We don't need the superstate to do so. Says PK. Of course we'll still be trading with the EU. That's a given. After all, they produce 30% of the food consumed in the UK. That's a LOT of food. So anyone sensible would question the logic of leaving the trading bloc that produces nearly a third of our scoff. And as usual the price of it post-brexit never gets a mention..... 10 minutes ago, woolley said: I trust you are not including me in this. For one thing I'm not an anything winger and for another you are the only one who bangs on about evil goblins. The rest of us see calculating human beings. As for Ted Heath, I wouldn't have voted for him if he'd stood against Corbyn, Clegg, a monkey and a donkey. It would have been between the monkey and the donkey. As far as I'm concerned the "evil Goblins running the EU" isn't any more far-fetched than some of the nonsense peddled on here. As to you being "not an anything winger" (must confess I thought you had mis-spelled whinger) we've only got your word for that. But I recall you moaning about the imposition of EU workers rights legislation. Quite a strong personal message there as I'm sure you'll agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jan/05/amber-rudd-to-delay-universal-credit-roll-out-pilot-study See what I mean Woolley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, woolley said: I can well imagine the superior, knowing smirk. I don't agree at all with the sell off of infrastructure to foreign interests whether it be airports, water and power utilities or the railways for that matter. However, it was a matter of policy to sell them out of public ownership (with mixed results), and once in private hands they can be sold on to the highest bidder anywhere in the world. In the single market you could not bar foreign ownership even if it seemed desirable domestically to do so. At least with an independent UK policy you could reserve certain sectors to home national ownership if desired, or even renationalise them as a monopoly - the main reason Corbyn is an advocate of Brexit. It is unlikely to happen due to possible reprisal action abroad, so I'm afraid that bird has flown. Then you have an imagination vivid enough to write schoolgirl fiction.... I view the whole Brexit farrago as an absolute tragedy. When times are hard those with the least suffer the most. Something I never forget.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, P.K. said: But I recall you moaning about the imposition of EU workers rights legislation. Quite a strong personal message there as I'm sure you'll agree. No, not at all. It is the principle of imposition by a sovereignty usurping external body that I would be moaning about in general and I don't recall making a specific reference to workers rights, although it appears to have made a profound impression on you if I did. We don't need outside interference to frame employment law. As I've said repeatedly, which you habitually choose to ignore, all of my employees for many years have worked on conditions vastly superior to any minima laid down by legislation, so on a day to day level it is irrelevant to me. It is the principle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, P.K. said: I view the whole Brexit farrago as an absolute tragedy. Really? Well why didn't you say so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jan/05/amber-rudd-to-delay-universal-credit-roll-out-pilot-study See what I mean Woolley? About what, Bazza? Nothing there alters the facts I gave you about the employment market. I linked all of the official figures. This link is about the botched introduction of Universal Credit. I never said there were not people who are suffering hard times. There always are and there always will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, woolley said: Really? Well why didn't you say so? Yeah. Right. On 9/13/2018 at 6:27 PM, P.K. said: The real tragedy is that the expected downturn in UK fortunes will affect the most disadvantaged to the greatest degree. The engineers of this historical clusterfuck like Cameron, JRM, Johnson, Gove, Farage, Raab, Fox, Fysh, Isaby, Davis, Duncan Smith etc etc will remain largely unaffected. A plague on all their houses.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 19 hours ago, Barrie Stevens said: The issue is the skilled and qualified persons who have decided to leave as they feel unable to establish roots post Brexit...Rightly or wrongly... no they haven't....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 18 hours ago, pongo said: Clearly the most important thing is that the democratically elected Parliament needs to put the economy first and listen to business and the City. no it doesn't...... if they had in the past the uk would of been part of the financial disaster that is the euro....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 18 hours ago, ballaughbiker said: absolute tosh less than 10%...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 15 hours ago, ballaughbiker said: If, on further information and analysis, we are going to be worse off then no. aka guesswork........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 14 hours ago, Max Power said: I think this is precisely why the vote was leave the EU John! +1 it would only be fair to have another vote in 39 years......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 13 hours ago, P.K. said: By the same logic with so much dissent over the Maybot's deal she doesn't have a deal....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, woody2 said: if they had in the past the uk would of been part of the financial disaster that is the euro....... Gordon Brown and his advisor Ed Balls kept the UK out of the Euro. The '5 economic tests' were drawn up in conjunction with leading economists in business and the City. Today Parliament should (and obviously will) listen to the needs of business and the City. Some on the Brexit side argue that Brexit should not be about the economy. But that, clearly, is stupid. Edited January 6, 2019 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, pongo said: Gordon Brown and his advisor Ed Balls kept the UK out of the Euro. The '5 economic tests' were drawn up in conjunction with leading economists in business and the City. Today Parliament should (and obviously will) listen to the needs of business and the City. Some on the Brexit side argue that Brexit should not be about the economy. But that, clearly, is stupid. according to browny in a recent interview the only reason was because the brits wouldn't of excepted it.... everyone else was pro-euro..... they were all wrong...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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