Declan Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, woody2 said: now we have all been told trouble will only happen if the uk leaves without an agreement.......... yet it will be a wild flower meadow on a sunny summer sunday if anything else happens...... I think we've also been told that having a second referendum will be a betrayal of democracy that will cause a permanent break down of trust in politicians. And there's the implied threat of civil unrest from EDL types. Edited January 17, 2019 by Declan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, Declan said: And there's the implied threat of civil unrest from EDL types. It won't just be "EDL types" kicking up a fuss, you can be sure of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Declan said: I think we've also been told that having a second referendum will be a betrayal of democracy that will cause a permanent break down of trust in politicians. And there's the implied threat of civil unrest from EDL types. Haha, a permanent break down of trust in politicians, I think that ship sailed a long time ago. I don’t believe anyone truly thought that the situation we currently have would be the outcome when they voted, but the vote was to leave and that should be honoured. I can see no merit in a second referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, quilp said: It won't just be "EDL types" kicking up a fuss, you can be sure of that. Have you looked at the pictures of a lot of the "EDL types"? They couldn't kick off at an Under 10s footy game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, quilp said: It won't just be "EDL types" kicking up a fuss, you can be sure of that. Will the WI mobilise as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Will the WI mobilise as well? They already did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, RIchard Britten said: Have you looked at the pictures of a lot of the "EDL types"? They couldn't kick off at an Under 10s footy game. Ha. You'd piss your knickers if any of them so much as looked at you... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Given that Parliament appears deadlocked on the matter can anyone explain why it should not be given back to the public to make a final choice now that the options are clear? I can understand Parliament alone making a decision to remain being seen as undemocratic but how is asking for the public to have a final say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, manxman1980 said: I need to try and find the details, however, I believe that there is a growing view that the legislation passed only empowered the PM to give notice that the UK intended to withdraw from the EU but stopped short (because it was badly written) of actually giving the Government and the PM the power to withdraw from the EU. There is another option through which Parliament could by pass the legislation and Government and that is via the "humble address" process - effectively going directly to the Queen. That may be the option to force through a second referendum. then why did corbyn ask last night for it to be removed...... its already past into law........ now bercow has thrown away the rulebook anything could happen..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: Any figure I give you would be a total guess because as you say no one really knows the reasons why individuals voted for brexit and what they imagined it would look like. I do not even remember (I stand to be corrected) a no-deal exit having been discussed in the lead up to the referendum. I recall the rhetoric being that the EU would want a deal that would be beneficial to the UK because reasons. try 52% of the voting public...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Declan said: I think we've also been told that having a second referendum will be a betrayal of democracy that will cause a permanent break down of trust in politicians. And there's the implied threat of civil unrest from EDL types. they saidthe far right..... they didn't say the army would be on standby except for no deal......police said the same..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, mojomonkey said: Haha, a permanent break down of trust in politicians, I think that ship sailed a long time ago. I don’t believe anyone truly thought that the situation we currently have would be the outcome when they voted, but the vote was to leave and that should be honoured. I can see no merit in a second referendum. i did......said it many times on here......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, quilp said: Ha. You'd piss your knickers if any of them so much as looked at you... Dont judge everyone else by your own failings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, RIchard Britten said: Have you looked at the pictures of a lot of the "EDL types"? They couldn't kick off at an Under 10s footy game. 95% of eu terrorism is caused by your lot....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: Given that Parliament appears deadlocked on the matter can anyone explain why it should not be given back to the public to make a final choice now that the options are clear? I can understand Parliament alone making a decision to remain being seen as undemocratic but how is asking for the public to have a final say? because parliament would still have to back it and pass it....... it would take 11 months+...... and regardless of the outcome they would want another one....... no change in voters minds according to the prof....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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