Barrie Stevens Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 minute ago, woody2 said: boats are registered in other places........ Which ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Freggyragh said: Well I’ve cashed in my 2nd referendum bet. Nice £100. They’re giving 4/1 on Brexit happening by March 29th. That’s pretty stiff odds. As Woody keeps saying it’s going to happen it’s not worth the punt, but the betting exchanges are always a good indicator of public opinion. liar....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said: C'mon Woolley, where and when have they ever said what you claim ? It's twisting the facts to suit an agenda. This is the sort of tripe that Farage has been coming out with lately. They take this line at every opportunity. Not content with coveting the future, they want to rewrite history. European Parliament President Antonio Tajani, no less, makes such claims in the very clip I linked to. That is why I linked it. We may laugh, but if they say it often enough as it all slips out of living memory, people will start to believe it. It's just a trading bloc of course! Edited January 22, 2019 by woolley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 how does someone with only 9021votes have any say in the uk......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Barrie Stevens said: Which ones the other 14 ferries......... as for the cruise ships..... Quote P&O appear to have chosen the UK for Azura in order to take advantage of something called Tonnage Tax, which reduces Corporation Tax liabilities. http://www.captaingreybeard.com/2010/04/why-po-is-not-completely-wedde.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barrie Stevens Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, woody2 said: the other 14 ferries......... as for the cruise ships..... http://www.captaingreybeard.com/2010/04/why-po-is-not-completely-wedde.html That was the initial move when the ship Azura was newly launched. Your posting is dated 2010. Azura has been registered in Hamilton Bermuda since 2011 which makes it British but not UK. Six P&O ferries have gone or are going to Cyprus which is in the EU. UK tonnage tax was introduced in 2000. EU members each have their own tonnage tax. If I were the owners of cross channel ferriesI would think in terms of such an incentive to shipping as tonnage tax being more acceptable to the EU after Brexit as opposed to operating within the UK tonnage tax as an outsider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: That was the initial move when the ship Azura was newly launched. Your posting is dated 2010. Azura has been registered in Hamilton Bermuda since 2011 which makes it British but not UK. Six P&O ferries have gone or are going to Cyprus which is in the EU. UK tonnage tax was introduced in 2000. EU members each have their own tonnage tax. If I were the owners of cross channel ferriesI would think in terms of such an incentive to shipping as tonnage tax being more acceptable to the EU after Brexit as opposed to operating within the UK tonnage tax as an outsider. nope - if it was to do with exit they would have split ship registration......no point having ships that can berth in france and not the uk..... its purely down to tonnage tax....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, woody2 said: nope - if it was to do with exit they would have split ship registration......no point having ships that can berth in france and not the uk..... its purely down to tonnage tax....... The ships can berth where they like. Registration does not affect where you can go other than some restraints in wars or sanctions and most of those are ignored although an Israeli ship might find it hard to get into an Arab state and Arabs have long boycotted ships trading with Israel as did USA blacklist ships trading with Cuba for decades. Tonnage tax is an incentive to own ships and register in an EU nation in this instance. The tax is up to each EU member. P&O and others are openly saying that moving to an EU nation flag makes sure of tonnage tax benefits due to Brexit uncertainty. They could switch if the UK's future viz a viz post Brexit were more certain. Personally, I think they will be non-UK flag for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: The ships can berth where they like. Registration does not affect where you can go other than some restraints in wars or sanctions and most of those are ignored although an Israeli ship might find it hard to get into an Arab state and Arabs have long boycotted ships trading with Israel as did USA blacklist ships trading with Cuba for decades. Tonnage tax is an incentive to own ships and register in an EU nation in this instance. The tax is up to each EU member. P&O and others are openly saying that moving to an EU nation flag makes sure of tonnage tax benefits due to Brexit uncertainty. They could switch if the UK's future viz a viz post Brexit were more certain. Personally, I think they will be non-UK flag for a long time. no they can't.... they switch flags all the time, always have done, its nothing new or to do with exit...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, woody2 said: nope - if it was to do with exit they would have split ship registration......no point having ships that can berth in france and not the uk..... its purely down to tonnage tax....... https://greece.greekreporter.com/2019/01/20/english-shipping-company-registers-its-operating-fleet-in-cyprus-because-of-Brexit/ The above link contains a P&0 statement explaining that moving to Cyprus flag is down to Brexit and that the company would rather be under an EU tonnage tax than a UK scheme due to Brexit uncertainty. Other UK companies are likely to leave the UK flag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: https://greece.greekreporter.com/2019/01/20/english-shipping-company-registers-its-operating-fleet-in-cyprus-because-of-Brexit/ The above link contains a P&0 statement explaining that moving to Cyprus flag is down to Brexit and that the company would rather be under an EU tonnage tax than a UK scheme due to Brexit uncertainty. Other UK companies are likely to leave the UK flag they switch flags all the time, always have done, its nothing new or to do with exit...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Just now, woody2 said: they switch flags all the time, always have done, its nothing new or to do with exit...... They do not switch all the time. When a ship is registered in a country that country becomes its nationality. It comes under the laws of that country and the treaties and conventions it follows. This makes the ship legitimate and thus gives it the right to trade anywhere. Now we shall see P&0 cross channel ferries six of them apparently with Cyprus flag status and able to go anywhere. On your logic they would have to stay in Limmassol or wherever in Cyprus. On your logic the Ben my Chree could never sail to Dublin. As regards split registration...tell me would one half of the ship be in Cyprus and the other half say in Dover...How would you reconcile the laws of two countries applying to one ship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Ferry bookings altered/postponed etc as Brittany Ferries say a lot of their capacity reserved by UK Govt for Brexit exigencies and thus not available to customers.....Here we go 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) why has no-one suggested going to war with Spain as a way to solve Brexit? (just thinking outside the box or alternatively, not really thinking at all) Edited January 22, 2019 by b4mbi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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