ballaughbiker Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Quote ........nothings moved........ You cannot possibly know that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: If it is in breach of EU state aid law then why was it approved by the EU as being "Acquis" on 24th March 2010? that's along time ago....... look it up on the eu's website........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: You cannot possibly know that. i do........ have you any evidence or not....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 If the UK government just state that they will not under any circumstances reinstate a hard border in Ireland, doesn't that leave the EU with the problem? Would the EU force Ireland to erect a hard border? Doubt it. Would lead to effectively a border at the ports and airports on the UK mainland for goods. If UK Government also offers to guarantee free movement of people for Irish citizens? Don't think mainland British people are massively concerned about free movement/right to work in mainland UK of Irish people?? Northern Ireland voted majority remain in EU, so can't UK Government grant free movement of people to EU citizens within Northern Ireland only?? If it means changing the constitutional relationship of Northern Ireland to the mainland UK to secure that arrangement, then put that to vote of NI people. Probably missing some massive point why this can't be done.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Quote i do........ How? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 59 minutes ago, b4mbi said: If the UK government just state that they will not under any circumstances reinstate a hard border in Ireland, doesn't that leave the EU with the problem? Would the EU force Ireland to erect a hard border? Doubt it. Would lead to effectively a border at the ports and airports on the UK mainland for goods. If UK Government also offers to guarantee free movement of people for Irish citizens? Don't think mainland British people are massively concerned about free movement/right to work in mainland UK of Irish people?? Northern Ireland voted majority remain in EU, so can't UK Government grant free movement of people to EU citizens within Northern Ireland only?? If it means changing the constitutional relationship of Northern Ireland to the mainland UK to secure that arrangement, then put that to vote of NI people. Probably missing some massive point why this can't be done.... You are missing the point that quite a lot of people in northern ireland don't want to be part of the uk. They want to be part of ireland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 20 hours ago, Barrie Stevens said: Like me many people do not love the EU. Like me they reluctantly voted Remain on the basis that Brexit as promoted is not a viable proposition at this time...Especially in the hands of those promoting it! How limp and defeatist of you. "It's all too difficult." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 13 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Hmmm. Sky News tonight. Jacob Rees-Mogg's investment company relocates some of its operations to Dublin to proof itself against Brexit fallout. Brexiteer's poster boy, the great British innovator Mr Dyson relocates his HQ and tax base to Singapore. Although it's nothing to do with Brexit, naturally. Hypocritical, self-serving , the lot of them. No. Project Fear has poisoned the atmosphere, so there is no reason not to ride that sentiment and profit from it. Later on, when the market turns you ride it back the other way and double your profit in returning to the status quo ante. That's how business and the markets work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, P.K. said: Since the referendum I have come to realise that bigotry played a major part. If you've self-analysed and recognised that much then it's half the battle. There are mutual help groups to assist your further progress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, woolley said: No. Project Fear has poisoned the atmosphere, so there is no reason not to ride that sentiment and profit from it. Later on, when the market turns you ride it back the other way and double your profit in returning to the status quo ante. That's how business and the markets work. Ahem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, b4mbi said: If the UK government just state that they will not under any circumstances reinstate a hard border in Ireland, doesn't that leave the EU with the problem? Would the EU force Ireland to erect a hard border? Doubt it. Would lead to effectively a border at the ports and airports on the UK mainland for goods. If UK Government also offers to guarantee free movement of people for Irish citizens? Don't think mainland British people are massively concerned about free movement/right to work in mainland UK of Irish people?? Northern Ireland voted majority remain in EU, so can't UK Government grant free movement of people to EU citizens within Northern Ireland only?? If it means changing the constitutional relationship of Northern Ireland to the mainland UK to secure that arrangement, then put that to vote of NI people. Probably missing some massive point why this can't be done.... UK has said there will be no hard border under any circumstances as has Ireland, but Barnier says there would be in the event of no deal. So the only place that could go would be a row between EU and Ireland. That, despite the fact that EU has previously stated there would never be a hard border. Inconsistencies in EU position. Irish citizens have had free movement in UK, CI and IOM, and vice versa within the Common Travel Area established in 1923 so that is not an issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 32 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: You are missing the point that quite a lot of people in northern ireland don't want to be part of the uk. They want to be part of ireland That does not impinge on any of the points made by b4mbi, so I don't think he missed that one. There are always minorities who want a different thing to the majority in any country or any situation. The main problem with asking the NI population to vote about a different arrangement to the rest of the UK is that the Unionist majority will be suspicious that it's the thin end of the wedge and vote it down, much as the DUP has done in Parliament over the backstop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, woolley said: Irish citizens have had free movement in UK, CI and IOM, and vice versa within the Common Travel Area established in 1923 so that is not an issue. But what is "free movement"? I would guess it's the right to live and work in different jurisdiction as well as travel there. Does CTA cover that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, b4mbi said: But what is "free movement"? I would guess it's the right to live and work in different jurisdiction as well as travel there. Does CTA cover that? Yes. Work, claim benefits just as though you were native. Goes back to the shake out when Irish Free State left the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 50 minutes ago, woolley said: If you've self-analysed and recognised that much then it's half the battle. There are mutual help groups to assist your further progress. A very predictable response from a brexiteer that completely ignores the central tenet. But then I suppose you have to. So Woolster in 2018 how many weeks did you spend in the UK? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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