the stinking enigma Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) I don't see how it's possible to be in favour of brexit yet against the re-unification of ireland. Or against scottish or welsh independence. Seems a bit hypocritical to me. Edited January 23, 2019 by the stinking enigma 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: I don't see how it's possible to be in favour of brexit yet against the re-unification of ireland. Or against scottish or welsh independence. Seems a bit hypocritical to me. Shush now...or you will confuse them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, woolley said: No. Project Fear has poisoned the atmosphere, so there is no reason not to ride that sentiment and profit from it. Later on, when the market turns you ride it back the other way and double your profit in returning to the status quo ante. That's how business and the markets work. A price worth paying, eh Margaret? The short, if not longer, term damage to the economy and our international reputation in tatters, potentially thousands of jobs lost, the danger of re-igniting conflict in Ireland and all in the name of the few turning a quick buck. Genius. No wonder JRM is so keen to get us out of the EU. Edited January 23, 2019 by Non-Believer Extra bit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, b4mbi said: If the UK government just state that they will not under any circumstances reinstate a hard border in Ireland, doesn't that leave the EU with the problem? Would the EU force Ireland to erect a hard border? Doubt it. Would lead to effectively a border at the ports and airports on the UK mainland for goods. If UK Government also offers to guarantee free movement of people for Irish citizens? Don't think mainland British people are massively concerned about free movement/right to work in mainland UK of Irish people?? Northern Ireland voted majority remain in EU, so can't UK Government grant free movement of people to EU citizens within Northern Ireland only?? If it means changing the constitutional relationship of Northern Ireland to the mainland UK to secure that arrangement, then put that to vote of NI people. Probably missing some massive point why this can't be done.... not missing anything........ they already have free movement which is staying..... the goods thing isn't a problem....... its tracked by vat...... animals/ farm produce....... at the moment they have to fill in paperwork online....... random stop checks happen........so that's not a problem either....... once a fta was in place (which should of been done first) all of the problems would be solved...... its a issue that is completely manufactured row by the incompetent eu..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, ballaughbiker said: How? because unlike you i have a brain...... so have you any evidence or not....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, woody2 said: not missing anything........ they already have free movement which is staying..... the goods thing isn't a problem....... its tracked by vat...... animals/ farm produce....... at the moment they have to fill in paperwork online....... random stop checks happen........so that's not a problem either....... once a fta was in place (which should of been done first) all of the problems would be solved...... its a issue that is completely manufactured row by the incompetent eu..... Cobblers. The DUP will not allow any differences between themselves and the rest of the UK. So no NI constitutional changes are possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: A price worth paying, eh Margaret? The short, if not longer, term damage to the economy and our international reputation in tatters, potentially thousands of jobs lost, the danger of re-igniting conflict in Ireland and all in the name of the few turning a quick buck. Genius. No wonder JRM is so keen to get us out of the EU. it never went away........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, woody2 said: it never went away........ So that's a good reason to stoke it up again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, P.K. said: Cobblers. The DUP will not allow any differences between themselves and the rest of the UK. So no NI constitutional changes are possible. little miss shouty has turned up with nothing to say shocker....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just now, Non-Believer said: So that's a good reason to stoke it up again? it never went away........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, P.K. said: A very predictable response from a brexiteer that completely ignores the central tenet. But then I suppose you have to. So Woolster in 2018 how many weeks did you spend in the UK? Not as many as I spent in other countries. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 56 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: I don't see how it's possible to be in favour of brexit yet against the re-unification of ireland. Or against scottish or welsh independence. Seems a bit hypocritical to me. That would mean you don't understand the value of the United Kingdom to the British, or the difference between it and the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 By british you mean the english? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: A price worth paying, eh Margaret? The short, if not longer, term damage to the economy and our international reputation in tatters, potentially thousands of jobs lost, the danger of re-igniting conflict in Ireland and all in the name of the few turning a quick buck. Genius. No wonder JRM is so keen to get us out of the EU. No. Merely a business response to the Project Fear ignited situation. Company directors have a statutory duty to act in the interests of shareholders, although I will grant you they don't always do so. More jobs in UK than at any time since records began - figures out this week - "despite (in the words of the BBC) Brexit". If we do get it over the line and away from the EU the economy will fly and so will employment and already strong inward investment, enhancing our international reputation still further. Drags on employment and industrial wastelands are attributable to globalisation and everything being made in the cheapest place under the laxest regulation. This is the globalisation much loved of champagne socialists everywhere. There is not going to be a hard border in Ireland. Nobody wants it, so it won't happen. Even if it did, it's a bit of a leap, and insulting to the Irish to say the least, to suggest that because of this they will want to start killing each other again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 The only people i have ever met that would describe themselves as happy to be british are the english or the protestants socially engineered into northern ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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