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1 minute ago, quilp said:

It was hard not to listen to the recent, media-wide coverage about the British army bolstering supplies and ammunition in the event of a no-deal brexit. Project Fear or reality? Future social unrest is probably inevitable, whatever the result, it won't please some. 

Civil unrest is not inevitable or even likely. There is no tradition of civil unrest and only a very few extreme trouble makers and doomers get excited at the idea of something like that.

The role of the military would clearly relate to contingency planning and support for the civil authority. They aren't going to be shooting angry pensioners if Britain remains in some sort of customs union.

All normal people are hoping for and expecting a sensible compromise.

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12 minutes ago, pongo said:

Almost nobody voted for no-deal

That's debatable. I think you'll find that many leave voters were under the naive impression that the British bulldog had put its teeth back in and would just walk away without so much as a backward glance.

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Just now, quilp said:

That's debatable. I think you'll find that many leave voters were under the naive impression that the British bulldog had put its teeth back in and would just walk away without so much as a backward glance.

I'm not convinced that anyone with those attitudes should have any say in a technical decision which so clearly affects the economy so dramatically.

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16 minutes ago, quilp said:

It was hard not to listen to the recent, media-wide coverage about the British army bolstering supplies and ammunition in the event of a no-deal brexit. Project Fear or reality? Future social unrest is probably inevitable, whatever the result, it won't please some. 

Link?

No more Guido or Russia Today or any other extremists like The Daily Wail if you don't mind....

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43 minutes ago, quilp said:

It was hard not to listen to the recent, media-wide coverage about the British army bolstering supplies and ammunition in the event of a no-deal brexit. Project Fear or reality? Future social unrest is probably inevitable, whatever the result, it won't please some. 

I think the British Army has ammo and supplies made abroad and also may still be using former BAOR stores and ammunition dumps in Germany. The final pull out is some time this year I read...Also, the Army has a military port at Marchwood in the New Forest...Soon to be privately managed...Maybe the Army too has doubts about delays in commercial ports?

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Whilst, as always, it is lovely to see and hear people hugging the trees and tip-toeing through the tulips, it is, at this time of national turmoil, very relieving to see some blue-sky clarity emerging from the storm.

The idea of a second referendum is now obsolete - parliament voted against it and the remain MP's have conceded defeat on this.

Corbin, Grieve, Cooper et al were all defeated - and there is no parliamentary time for reversal.

The 'Remain' effort has now collapsed - the only issue for remainers now is to choose between backing the democratic majority (even though not their preference) or spending a lifetime in disappointed opposition.

As always in British politics, the vast majority of those on the losing side will shrug their shoulders and join the majority - a small minority will not. I wish the latter no ill.

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2 hours ago, pongo said:

Civil unrest is not inevitable or even likely. There is no tradition of civil unrest...

Eh? No tradition of civil unrest? Don't the Brixton, Toxteth, Tottenham or the London riots not count? Or the Miner's strikes, the Poll Tax riots (I was there, camera in hand), the Vietnam and Iraq war protests? What about the years of violence against the British state in NI..? 

And over the centuries; the Levellers, Tolpuddle, English Civil War, the Fenian uprising, the Easter rising, er, the Jacobite and Irish rebellions. Our very own bread riots. Too many to mention.

No one wants to see violent behaviour on the streets because of a no-deal Brexit, it's not just the "sensible" people who wish to avoid confrontation but, as you say, there is a core element on both sides who might be affronted and decide to take matters into their own hands. Antifa and other liberal activists aren't beyond kicking up a fuss and using violence either.

Let's hope an acceptable calm prevails but civil unrest is a distinct possibility, unfortunately.

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1 minute ago, quilp said:

Do any of the above mention ammunition?

TBH CBA to look.

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2 hours ago, quilp said:

Who, what and where do they envisage defending? 

With Britain out of the EU it is instantly much weaker.

Why should Cypriots agree to a country, that has left the EU and complained vociferously about the very idea of EU collective defensive, to continue maintaining control of land on their island? The bases there are significantly larger in area than the Isle of Man.

Two thirds of Falklands tax receipts come from income made on squid exports to Spain. WTO rules means that in a no deal scenario tariffs of 18% must be applied to squid. The Lisbon Treaty requires all EU states to assist the U.K. over matters of sovereignty, such as its claim over the Falklands. After Brexit, especially seeing as the U.K. never properly resolved U.N. General Assembly Resolution 2065, passed back in 1965, there’s no reason at all for EU states to support Britain’s claim over the islands. 

Gibraltar voted almost unanimously to remain. Woolley assures us that Gibraltarians are very pro British. I wonder how pro-British they would be with a hard border? 

EU wide support for U.K. overseas sovereignty claims was guaranteed by the Lisbon Treaty. If the U.K. wants to be sure Jacob, Boris and Nigel can continue to live in the style to which they are accustomed and avoid paying their fair share in taxes then the U.K. will have to defend its claims to the little bits of empire it has left on its own in future. 

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