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Lxxx Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Sir Bill Cash MP Forces the PM to Reveal that ‘The Deal’ Would Overturn the Referendum Result and Stop Brexit. This seemingly innocuous question, posed yesterday afternoon by Sir Bill Cash to the Prime Minister in the House of Commons, was in fact a very astutely posed question from a skilled lawyer and veteran statesman. By posing this question in this precise way, Sir Bill forced the Prime Minister to admit in the House that the intention of ‘The Deal’ (The Withdrawal Agreement) is to over-turn the repeal of the 1972 Communities Act, the essential legal instrument which keeps us bound into the European Union. Theresa May characteristically stumbled as she realised the trap into which she had fallen, and couldn’t get to the end of her answer fast enough. Look carefully at the look she is flashed by Home Secretary Sajid David as he silently acknowledges the gravity of the moment. The explicit intention of the Prime Minister, following a successful vote for her revised Withdrawal Agreement is to introduce what she referred to as the WAB (The Withdrawal Agreement Bill) -another Act of Parliament to essentially reverse the Withdrawal Act and the Referendum result - remember the ‘Implementation Period’ can extend to 2099 currently. The Prime Minister will be hoping that Members of Parliament missed this.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 11 hours ago, Freggyragh said: With Britain out of the EU it is instantly much weaker. Why should Cypriots agree to a country, that has left the EU and complained vociferously about the very idea of EU collective defensive, to continue maintaining control of land on their island? The bases there are significantly larger in area than the Isle of Man. Two thirds of Falklands tax receipts come from income made on squid exports to Spain. WTO rules means that in a no deal scenario tariffs of 18% must be applied to squid. The Lisbon Treaty requires all EU states to assist the U.K. over matters of sovereignty, such as its claim over the Falklands. After Brexit, especially seeing as the U.K. never properly resolved U.N. General Assembly Resolution 2065, passed back in 1965, there’s no reason at all for EU states to support Britain’s claim over the islands. Gibraltar voted almost unanimously to remain. Woolley assures us that Gibraltarians are very pro British. I wonder how pro-British they would be with a hard border? EU wide support for U.K. overseas sovereignty claims was guaranteed by the Lisbon Treaty. If the U.K. wants to be sure Jacob, Boris and Nigel can continue to live in the style to which they are accustomed and avoid paying their fair share in taxes then the U.K. will have to defend its claims to the little bits of empire it has left on its own in future. The Cyprus bases are sovereign bases and British Overseas Territories. They were retained in 1960 when Cyprus became independent. Not like other bases at all and nothing to do with EU. They are essential to UK Middle East interests. UK has offered to give away half of the surrounding areas if Cyprus and Turkey agree to reunite the island following a referendum and which so far has not happened it would seem. Releasing sovereign land we are told will not affect British military operations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 23 hours ago, Barrie Stevens said: I have prepared myself for no deal. I'm sure we will all sleep easier safe in this knowledge. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 21 hours ago, Freggyragh said: The Isle of Man is different to the U.K. The Manx travel far more and are much, much more cosmopolitan in outlook. If England does carry on with this religious like belief in unicorns the Manx will be thinking very hard of going along with it, should other options become available. Don’t think for a minute that the Manx have any sentimental attachment to the U.K. political establishment - if it comes down to hard economics we won’t let ourselves be dragged down by them. And you talk about others believing in fantasy. It all depends on what you mean by "the Manx". Political views here are no more homogeneous than in other parts of the British Isles. It's a broad church. I shouldn't worry about UK economics dragging us down either. More likely to be going there looking for a bail out if we don't get our expenditure in order. What other options were you referencing as a matter of interest? There seems to be a hankering for some sort of mythical Celtic Union running through your posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 19 hours ago, Barrie Stevens said: IOM has not been promised anything that is the point. Hopw will Brexit affect the IOM? Did you not see Howard standing by the hearth with that nice man from DExEU, receiving assurances that our interests are being taken care of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 19 hours ago, pongo said: Almost nobody voted for no-deal They voted to leave. That was all they were asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 17 hours ago, Bobbie Bobster said: We're all on the losing side Speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 16 hours ago, P.K. said: Thought it was bollox...... You'd know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, woolley said: You'd know. It comes from reading your posts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, woolley said: Speculation. No. You and I have agreed before, along with most other informed commentatiors, that Brexit will have a detrimental effect on the economy and growth prospect of the UK for an extended period of time. And to take a retrospective rather than prospective view, what if all the political energy employed on Brexit over the last two years had been devoted to solving the UK's current social and economic issues. How much progress could have been made! A huge opportunity cost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Freggyragh said: With Britain out of the EU it is instantly much weaker. Why should Cypriots agree to a country, that has left the EU and complained vociferously about the very idea of EU collective defensive, to continue maintaining control of land on their island? The bases there are significantly larger in area than the Isle of Man. Two thirds of Falklands tax receipts come from income made on squid exports to Spain. WTO rules means that in a no deal scenario tariffs of 18% must be applied to squid. The Lisbon Treaty requires all EU states to assist the U.K. over matters of sovereignty, such as its claim over the Falklands. After Brexit, especially seeing as the U.K. never properly resolved U.N. General Assembly Resolution 2065, passed back in 1965, there’s no reason at all for EU states to support Britain’s claim over the islands. Gibraltar voted almost unanimously to remain. Woolley assures us that Gibraltarians are very pro British. I wonder how pro-British they would be with a hard border? EU wide support for U.K. overseas sovereignty claims was guaranteed by the Lisbon Treaty. If the U.K. wants to be sure Jacob, Boris and Nigel can continue to live in the style to which they are accustomed and avoid paying their fair share in taxes then the U.K. will have to defend its claims to the little bits of empire it has left on its own in future. You mean Spain will assist the UK in preference to Argentina over the sovereignty of "Las Malvinas"? And French Exocet missiles won't be fired at our forces in any future hostilities down there? How reassuring. When push comes to shove, Gib is British, whatever the nature of the border. Between 1969 and 1985 during the fifteenth siege they didn't have a hard border, they had a closed border. It hasn't changed. The nature of the border makes no difference to them. To suggest otherwise is one of your more outlandish propositions. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/aug/04/world.gibraltar Edited January 31, 2019 by woolley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bobbie Bobster said: No. You and I have agreed before, along with most other informed commentatiors, that Brexit will have a detrimental effect on the economy and growth prospect of the UK for an extended period of time. And to take a retrospective rather than prospective view, what if all the political energy employed on Brexit over the last two years had been devoted to solving the UK's current social and economic issues. How much progress could have been made! A huge opportunity cost. It's still speculation. The political energy expended now may have saved much deeper turmoil further down the road. The future is always speculation. There is no such thing as an "informed commentator" when the subject matter is "the future". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, woolley said: It's still speculation. The political energy expended now may have saved much deeper turmoil further down the road. The future is always speculation. There is no such thing as an "informed commentator" when the subject matter is "the future". I hadn't realised just how bad brexit could be until a brexiteer played the "future is always uncertain" card. I guess the number of negative projections must be growing.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, P.K. said: I hadn't realised just how bad brexit could be until a brexiteer played the "future is always uncertain" card. I guess the number of negative projections must be growing.... Projections are speculation. It's just that more resources are engaged in propagating the negative ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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