TheTeapot Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Here's some Project Fear flipping and a floundering like a, well, you get the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Anyone sensible (i.e. non-ERG) will know that a no deal brexit would be catastrophic. Therefore expect plenty of pressure to kettle MP's behind The Maybot's so-called "deal". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 4:11 PM, Shake me up Judy said: You can add Ireland to that as well P.K. A basket case until they joined the EU and the money started rolling in. Now look at them. Spain's problems were of their own making; ditto Greece. Italy has always been a basket case since the time of Mussolini. Rather since the days of Garibaldi and Mazzini. The component parts of Italy had to be forced together like Bismarck did with Germany. Italy is still regional and Italians take great delight in not obeying the law and anything else that comes out of Rome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Manximus Aururaneus said: Because the EU is not a 'State', it is a political enterprise nothing more. It has no legal basis in any International Court outwith it's own 'ECJ', it cannot sue (or be sue'd) 6 hours ago, John Wright said: Suggest you go read Art 47 of the Lisbon Treaty. It is a legal entity, it is recognised, and can and does, join other organisations where it is recognised as a “state”. Ouch. Sick burn! Edited February 9, 2019 by Bobbie Bobster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, John Wright said: Suggest you go read Art 47 of the Lisbon Treaty. It is a legal entity, it is recognised, and can and does, join other organisations where it is recognised as a “state”. It can sue and be sued. The ECJ is for intra EU member disputes. Thats why the exit treaty provisions and the £39 million agreement are so important. It stops, by settlement, years of possible international claims and arbitrations. Only two entities disagree with you. Me, and the EU The Lisbon Treaty is an INTERNAL AGREEMENT OF THE EU - Is the USA, China, et al bound by the Lisbon Treaty??? What date did they sign it??? I sincerely hope that you do not charge for your legal opinions! This is what the EU's own website says; "The European Union has legal personality and as such its own legal order which is separate from international law. Furthermore, EU law has direct or indirect effect on the laws of its Member States and becomes part of the legal system of each Member State. The European Union is in itself a source of law. The legal order is usually divided into primary legislation (the Treaties and general legal principles), secondary legislation (based on the Treaties) and supplementary law." One might as well say, "The Peel Swingers Club has legal personality and as such its own legal order which is separate from international law. Furthermore, Peel Swingers Club law has direct or indirect effect on the laws of its Member Swingers and becomes part of the legal system of each Member who Swings. The Peel Swingers Club is in itself a source of law. The legal order is usually divided into primary legislation (the Treaties and general legal principles), secondary legislation (based on the Treaties) and supplementary law." http://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/6/sources-and-scope-of-european-union-law https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1081066/brexit-news-latest-brexit-divorce-bill-european-court-of-justice-ecj Clue is in; 'Member State' - If you ain't a 'Member State' Then you don't have to play by the Golf Club rules, Swinger Club rules or EU rules cause you ain't a Golf Club member, Member Swinger or EU Member! Upon exit, the EU has categorically stated that the UK will be treated as a 'Third Country' (it's words) - since when did the article 47 of the Lisbon Treaty apply to 'Third Countries'? Can you please provide a time, date, and text of that legislation? (Are you sure you're a lawyer?). Edited February 9, 2019 by Manximus Aururaneus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Apple has warned that future investment by multinationals in Europe could be hit after it was ordered to pay a record-breaking €13bn (£11bn) in back taxes to Ireland. The world’s largest company was presented with the huge bill after the European commission ruled that a sweetheart tax deal between Apple and the Irish tax authorities amounted to illegal state aid. The commission said the deal allowed Apple to pay a maximum tax rate of just 1%. In 2014, the tech firm paid tax at just 0.005%. The usual rate of corporation tax in Ireland is 12.5%. “Member states cannot give tax benefits to selected companies – this is illegal under EU state aid rules,” said the European competition commissioner, Margrethe Vestager, whose investigation of Apple’s complex tax dealings has taken three years. Vestager’s ruling prompted an angry response from Apple and from Ireland and is likely to spark a political row between the US and the EU. The US Treasury said the ruling threatened to damage “the important spirit of economic partnership between the US and the EU”. In a letter to customers, Apple’s chief executive, Tim Cook, claimed the ruling could deal a blow to big companies investing in Europe: “Beyond the obvious targeting of Apple, the most profound and harmful effect of this ruling will be on investment and job creation in Europe. Using the commission’s theory, every company in Ireland and across Europe is suddenly at risk of being subjected to taxes under laws that never existed.” Later..... Apple has paid the Irish government €14.3bn (£12.7bn), money that the European Commission ruled the tech giant owed due to illegal tax breaks. Ireland's Finance Ministry said the payment was a "significant milestone", although Dublin insists Apple was not given any special tax treatment. In 2016 the Commission ruled the below 1% effective tax rate the firm paid in Ireland amounted to illegal state aid. Apple has appealed against the decision. Dublin also disputes the Commission's finding. Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe said the government "fundamentally disagree[d] with the Commission's analysis". However, he said, "as committed members of the European Union, we have always confirmed that we would recover the alleged state aid." The European Commission initiated a lawsuit against Ireland last year over its delay in recovering the money. The Commission said that the court action would now be withdrawn. The process of recovering the funds began in May and has now amounted to €13.1bn in disputed taxes plus interest of €1.2bn, an amount roughly equivalent to Ireland's health budget for the year. The money will be held in an escrow fund while Apple's appeal takes place. Apple is one of several American tech giants which located their European operations in Ireland, due to its relatively low tax rate. Facebook, Twitter and Google all have a significant presence in Dublin. Ireland's finance ministry said it expects it to take several years for European courts to resolve the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, P.K. said: And...??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Leave Peel Swingers Club out of this... it's an entirely independent, self-governing entity. So I'm told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Bloody hell, Manximus! The first law of Peel Swingers’ Club is: you do not talk about Peel Swingers’ Club. The second law of Peel Swingers’ Club is: you DO NOT talk about Peel Swingers’ Club! Third law of Peel Swingers’ Club: if someone yells “stop!”, goes limp, or taps out, the swing is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 The first rule of getting burned by a professional is... don't try to double down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Manximus Aururaneus said: Whinge You sound like a bit of a Member Edited February 9, 2019 by TheTeapot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Manximus Aururaneus said: Only two entities disagree with you. Me, and the EU The Lisbon Treaty is an INTERNAL AGREEMENT OF THE EU - Is the USA, China, et al bound by the Lisbon Treaty??? What date did they sign it??? I sincerely hope that you do not charge for your legal opinions! This is what the EU's own website says; "The European Union has legal personality and as such its own legal order which is separate from international law. Furthermore, EU law has direct or indirect effect on the laws of its Member States and becomes part of the legal system of each Member State. The European Union is in itself a source of law. The legal order is usually divided into primary legislation (the Treaties and general legal principles), secondary legislation (based on the Treaties) and supplementary law." One might as well say, "The Peel Swingers Club has legal personality and as such its own legal order which is separate from international law. Furthermore, Peel Swingers Club law has direct or indirect effect on the laws of its Member Swingers and becomes part of the legal system of each Member who Swings. The Peel Swingers Club is in itself a source of law. The legal order is usually divided into primary legislation (the Treaties and general legal principles), secondary legislation (based on the Treaties) and supplementary law." http://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/6/sources-and-scope-of-european-union-law https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1081066/brexit-news-latest-brexit-divorce-bill-european-court-of-justice-ecj Clue is in; 'Member State' - If you ain't a 'Member State' Then you don't have to play by the Golf Club rules, Swinger Club rules or EU rules cause you ain't a Golf Club member, Member Swinger or EU Member! Upon exit, the EU has categorically stated that the UK will be treated as a 'Third Country' (it's words) - since when did the article 47 of the Lisbon Treaty apply to 'Third Countries'? Can you please provide a time, date, and text of that legislation? (Are you sure you're a lawyer?). In the immortal words of the late Eric Morecambe. "This boy is a fool!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) Go easy Bazza, we don’t want another leaver to disappear from the forum with hurt feelings. You need special terms for these sensitive souls, otherwise they get very upset. Be very careful presenting the facts too, remember, they believe in ‘alternative facts’ and for them the word ‘expert’ is a term of abuse. Try ‘alternative intelligence’ for moron or fool, and ‘creative solutions’ for complete and utter fantasy. I’m afraid that’s what they’re used to now. It comes from the top, where ‘global trade deals’ means keeping the shelves stocked in the Faroes Spa. Edited February 9, 2019 by Freggyragh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Manximus Aururaneus said: And...??? Just the EU made Apple stump up £12.7 Bn. That's all..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 In the words of Monty Python's Life of Brian: "What did the EU ever do for us?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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