Non-Believer Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, woody2 said: didn't join...... But not even a mention of UK's contributions to the EU in £ and p? Such as, say, the £350M a week that could go into the NHS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: But not even a mention of UK's contributions to the EU in £ and p? Such as, say, the £350M a week that could go into the NHS? it's about the eurozone which the uk isn't part of......... it clearly show how german gained through the euro....... and the nhs is getting £394 million extra a week by the end of this month....... Edited February 26, 2019 by woody2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, P.K. said: The author of the piece I posted up was born in NI. His father was murdered by loyalist terrorists for no other reason than he was an easy target. They were convicted but released under the GFA. It is somewhat depressing when #fakebrain and others claim that the issues over the border are exaggerated or whatever. Because clearly they are not..... checks happen now....... care to tell us which part of the gfa says checks can't take place...... may's agreement breaches the gfa....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 3 hours ago, manxman1980 said: Sorry, it has been a long day. Much spent second guessing future UK immigration requirements for EU citizens and cost modelling. haven't you got sponsorship rights..............i thought your a big hitter............ to answer your question........same as now or same as non eu........depending on outcome........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, woody2 said: haven't you got sponsorship rights..............i thought your a big hitter............ to answer your question........same as now or same as non eu........depending on outcome........ No, because we use EU and UK workers. Have you sorted your sponsorship out? There is no guarantee it will be the same by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 10 hours ago, manxman1980 said: No, because we use EU and UK workers. Have you sorted your sponsorship out? There is no guarantee it will be the same by the way. according to the gov. that's what will happen........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/contract-shipping-nhs-supplies-given-14057910?fbclid=IwAR0E8ojkh_q9IelxxOe6eMOYKFGmSWyZrnB67esOV1rUceSESotyuoKs5AE Oh well, nothing can possibly go wrong there then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 another massive investment in exit uk........ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47376169 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 4 hours ago, woody2 said: according to the gov. that's what will happen........ I agree that this is the current advice, however, a hard (or clean if you prefer) brexit may throw this into doubt. It also looks like the Government are not going to update the guidance on checking an individuals right to work in the UK post-brexit which could lead employers to employ people illegally even though they have followed Government issued guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: I agree that this is the current advice, however, a hard (or clean if you prefer) brexit may throw this into doubt. It also looks like the Government are not going to update the guidance on checking an individuals right to work in the UK post-brexit which could lead employers to employ people illegally even though they have followed Government issued guidance. or exit.....aka what people voted for....... just treat them as you would non-eu.........simples.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, woody2 said: or exit.....aka what people voted for....... just treat them as you would non-eu.........simples.......... There is a difference between an exit that takes place with a deal and one in which no deal is in place as you well know. Depending on the nature of the exit the rules may change again and change rapidly. As to treating them as we would non-EU workers that is exactly why I am looking at Tier 2 status - the difference being that at the moment we have no need to recruit outside the EU/UK and therefore never needed to be a sponsor organisation. I assume that you have seen the costs involved with obtaining a licence and producing a certificate of sponsorship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 4 hours ago, manxman1980 said: There is a difference between an exit that takes place with a deal and one in which no deal is in place as you well know. apart from the uk no longer paying the eu........very little......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 5:31 PM, woody2 said: in other news....... the centre for european policy says....... germany gained €2tn from the euro since 1999....... france lost €3.6tn (€3.5 billion a week) italy lost €4.3tn...... Of course we shouldnt believe anything that W2 posts, especially when he provides no link. However I’ve tracked it down. I’m not sure I’d rely on any research that in its opening preamble to methodology states that Ireland was one of the founders of the EU. What he reports is a snap shot of one of the tables. But not the whole story. Not even 5%. What it really highlights, drilling down through the very speculative figures, showing Greece as being ahead of the game, as an example, is that historically France and Italy devalued to combat inefficiencies resulting in poor productivity and lack of competitiveness, whereas German currency appreciated. We all knew that. And that a properly run euro system would allow structural changes. The Euro, of course was not properly run. So the necessary economic restraints required to eliminate the structural issues weren’t carried through as fiscal rectitude wasn’t observed, and each central bank borrowed. That was then exacerbated by the 2008/9 crash. By then Germany had loaned so much to Spain, Portugal, Greece, Cyprus, Italy and Ireland, and to France, ( to enable them to buy German products they couldn’t really afford )that the traditional default and/or haircut and massive devaluations would have destabilised Germany and its banks. Thats the real lesson, Germany won out by being locked into the € so its production costs fell, its currency was undervalued and its goods were cheaper elsewhere, whereas the others lost because they were faced with more expensive production costs, unable to devalue, so their goods became too expensive to sell. So they bought German, on money borrowed from Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Legally, and strictly speaking, Ireland was a founder member of the EU which dates from 1993. @ JW: We all knew that. And that a properly run euro system would allow structural changes. The Euro, of course was not properly run. So the necessary economic restraints required to eliminate the structural issues weren’t carried through as fiscal rectitude wasn’t observed, and each central bank borrowed. And that, folks, is why it doesn't work and can never work. The euro is not properly run because, politically, it can't be. Human nature will not permit it. Ever. The "structural issues" are systemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 link.......... https://www.cep.eu/fileadmin/user_upload/cep.eu/Studien/20_Jahre_Euro_-_Gewinner_und_Verlierer/cepStudy_20_years_Euro_-_Winners_and_Losers.pdf as trump said........the euro was set up to benefit ze germans........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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