manxman1980 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 16 hours ago, woody2 said: apart from the uk no longer paying the eu........very little......... I asked have you seen the costs associated with tier 2 sponsorship? Look at what it us going to cost employers and non UK employees, if you have not done so already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 On 2/25/2019 at 5:11 PM, manxman1980 said: See how many of these have been delivered or look likely to be delivered. Maybe dropped is too strong a word as many like Jacob Rees-Mogg still believe that they can deliver on these even though reality appears to be different. 1. More money for the NHS (£100 million per week cash infusion). Didn't Nigel Farage run away from that claim on the day after the referendum result? 2. More money for farmers 3. More money for scientists 4. More money in your pocket (because we will not be undercut by uncontrolled immigration) 5. Scrapping VAT on fuels bills and tampons. Any idea why this cannot be done before we leave? 6. No short-term economic disruption. Hasn't JRM predicted 50 years before we see any real benefit? 7. Brand new trade deals all over the world (start negotiating immediately for them to come into force after brexit) How is that going? Only 4 or 5 so far aren't there? 8. No damage to trade with the EU. If May's deal is agreed then that is possible otherwise I am not so sure. 9. No obligation to follow EU law. Guess what? If you want to trade with the EU you have to conform to their product standards. 10. Cut immigration. Yes, we have made the UK a less desirable place to live. 11. Introduction of a new Australian-style points based immigration system. That is not ready yet either... 12. Stronger border controls (including preventative checks at the border) 13. BUT no border in Northern Ireland (the only land border with the EU). So we will have preventative checks but somehow not have a hard border in Northern Ireland or a border in the middle of the Irish Sea? Not sure how this will work because all an illegal immigrant needs to do is travel to the Republic of Ireland and walk into the UK. Once there they are in the common travel area and free to move around the UK unless of course there is a border check somewhere else... On 2/25/2019 at 5:43 PM, woody2 said: care to share the leaflet from the official campaign that claimed all this...... 13- checks happen now in ireland........nothing in the gfa stops the uk leaving on no deal........ may's agreement breaches the gfa.....ireland has to inform the uk who is entering the cta...... ireland is staying part of the cta......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: I asked have you seen the costs associated with tier 2 sponsorship? Look at what it us going to cost employers and non UK employees, if you have not done so already. just state your point......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 UK immigration figures out today. EU immigrants down to 57,000 for the year to date, the lowest for a decade. Non-EU immigrants up to 261,000 for the year to date, the highest figure since 2004. Source, Sky News. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 latest uni ratings uk has 4 of top 10 universities in the world.........8 of top 50........18 of top 100.......... eu's highest rated is one in france at no.50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Who does these ratings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 And how much does it cost to join? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: Who does these ratings? not the eu........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 45 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: UK immigration figures out today. EU immigrants down to 57,000 for the year to date, the lowest for a decade. Non-EU immigrants up to 261,000 for the year to date, the highest figure since 2004. Source, Sky News. Folks from the EU contribute more to UK society that any other group, including the indigenous population. Of course this is because they tend to be young, fit, childless etc etc so they don't draw much down from public services or finances like schools, healthcare, pensions etc etc. Plus moving back to country of origin is no big deal. Non-EU migrants, on the other hand, are very likely to be economic and looking to settle permanently. Plus giving an opportunity for immediate family to join them and so forth. Hence: For example, a study by Oxford Economics (2018), commissioned by the Migration Advisory Committee, estimated the net fiscal contribution of EEA migrants in FY2016/17 at £4.7bn, compared to a net cost of £9bn for non-EEA migrants. The plunge in EU migration and the large rise in Non-EU arriving is a classic case of bigoted brexiteers well and truly shooting themselves in the foot. "Taking back control of our borders" - what a fucking HOOT that is! The government's target is 100k pa. Overall, about 283,000 more people moved to the UK with an intention to stay 12 months or more than those who left. So a not very good performance by The Maybot et al. Still, we've all been promised that Brexit will solve all this. Good luck with that one.... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/28/migration-from-non-eu-countries-reach-highest-level-in-15-years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 eu people just take take take........ they will never cover the costs of services they use...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 On 2/25/2019 at 5:43 PM, woody2 said: care to share the leaflet from the official campaign that claimed all this...... Absolutely, once you start publishing your sources for every claim you make on this topic... 5 hours ago, woody2 said: just state your point......... Employer Costs: £1,476 for a Tier 2 licence lasting for 4 years; £199 for each and every certificate of sponsorship issued; £1,000 per year for each and every sponsored worker (payable in advance); Employee Costs: £2,000 immigration health surcharge (for a 5 year visa); £1,220 visa application fee; Additional costs for dependants; None of the above considers any of the additional administrative work required to process visa's for every non UK worker and whilst for a larger business these costs may not be nothing for an SME which needs to access skills from the EU they could be significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: Absolutely, once you start publishing your sources for every claim you make on this topic... Employer Costs: £1,476 for a Tier 2 licence lasting for 4 years; £199 for each and every certificate of sponsorship issued; £1,000 per year for each and every sponsored worker (payable in advance); Employee Costs: £2,000 immigration health surcharge (for a 5 year visa); £1,220 visa application fee; Additional costs for dependants; None of the above considers any of the additional administrative work required to process visa's for every non UK worker and whilst for a larger business these costs may not be nothing for an SME which needs to access skills from the EU they could be significant. great isn't it? tier 5 = £134 a year for the licence..... and £21 for a certificate..........cheap as chips........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, woody2 said: great isn't it? tier 5 = £134 a year for the licence..... and £21 for a certificate..........cheap as chips........ I suppose you do a lot of work for the UK Government then do you? Tier 5: "Your sponsor can be any of the following: an organisation running an approved exchange scheme a higher education institution (if you are a sponsored researcher, visiting academic or examiner) a government department or agency " I cannot see many small private businesses being able to use the tier 5 route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: I suppose you do a lot of work for the UK Government then do you? Tier 5: "Your sponsor can be any of the following: an organisation running an approved exchange scheme a higher education institution (if you are a sponsored researcher, visiting academic or examiner) a government department or agency " I cannot see many small private businesses being able to use the tier 5 route. wrong........ Quote Tier 5 creative sector 4.15 To be allowed to apply for a licence to sponsor creative workers and their entourage, you must be operating, or intending to operate in the creative sector. Examples include, but are not limited to: • a national body • event organiser • producer • venue • agent • another similar organisation i can also do tier 2.........but who would want to employ foreigners........... good to see the mojo supporting you........even when your wrong......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, woody2 said: wrong........ i can also do tier 2.........but who would want to employ foreigners........... good to see the mojo supporting you........even when your wrong......... Not entirely wrong. Just clicked on the first tier 5 link (actually the top results). Either way not many businesses will be able to use these routes. Obviously, as always with you, it is a case of "I am alright Jack" and you ignore the impact on other businesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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