P.K. Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, woolley said: How can you expect better than reality? I'm sorry that you cannot have instant gratification in matters such as this. By definition it has not yet happened and it has to play out. Take note of the wisdom of Zhou Enlai. https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/06/it-is-too-soon-to-tell-the-real-story.html Whichever French uprising he was referring to. But I have got instant gratification via the status quo. There you go.... Edited March 6, 2019 by P.K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Looks like the Italians are buying Morgan. Apart from tiny kit car types are there any truly British car manufacturers left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 6 hours ago, woolley said: I understand that this is your opinion which is diametrically opposed to mine, but as there are so many possible variables over innumerable geopolitical scenarios, we will have to wait for decades to get a true perspective with the benefit of hindsight. There is no point in us, or anyone else, continually arguing around the same old ground. Oh no, the best possible economic outcome for the UK over the next 20-30 years is remain - that is agreed by all reasonable observers. Brexit is a clear trade off between economic benefit and sovereignty. After that, you're right, who knows what will happen - we don't even know if the upside and downside risks are symmetric. Maybe it'll be all milk and honey. Or maybe the reduction in economics growth will be permanent, accelerating the UK's slide from Empire to irrelevance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 14 hours ago, woody2 said: according to you lot.......the uk is going to have a shortage of workers........you cant have it both ways...... I see where you are coming from. If there are no jobs in Britain then we cannot have a skills shortage. Problem Solved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 12 hours ago, Bobbie Bobster said: Doesn't sound very foreign to me! c4=eu funded....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 11 hours ago, mojomonkey said: Woody, we were talking about the possibility of Mini leaving as that's the breaking news story at the moment. You then clearly commented on Mini, why are you trying to deny what is clearly written in posts just a few hours ago? 15 hours ago, manxman1980 said: In the case of the motor industry it is not just those employed by Honda, BMW or Nissan but also the local supply chain (direct and indirect) that benefit from these companies being in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 18 hours ago, Non-Believer said: BMW now threatening to pull Mini production from Cowley, Oxford in the event of no deal, citing no deal tariffs. 4k jobs on the line. Source, Sky News. 16 hours ago, woody2 said: good...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 11 hours ago, mojomonkey said: Maybe EU grants have resulted in the loss of jobs in the UK, difficult to prove or disprove. you reckon....... Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant. Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant. Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant. British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales. Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan. Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200. M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan. Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants. Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant. Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant. Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant. Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding. Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing. ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase. JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Freggyragh said: The best possible economic outcome for the U.K. is remain. clearly not with the eu going bankrupt........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Bobbie Bobster said: Oh no, the best possible economic outcome for the UK over the next 20-30 years is remain - that is agreed by all reasonable observers. Brexit is a clear trade off between economic benefit and sovereignty. After that, you're right, who knows what will happen - we don't even know if the upside and downside risks are symmetric. Maybe it'll be all milk and honey. Or maybe the reduction in economics growth will be permanent, accelerating the UK's slide from Empire to irrelevance. wrong........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Woody, from what I've read on here I think you are but to be fair to you can you confirm if you are in favour of a no deal exit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: I see where you are coming from. If there are no jobs in Britain then we cannot have a skills shortage. Problem Solved! wrong..... the data says otherwise...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Bobbie Bobster said: Brexit is a clear trade off between economic benefit and sovereignty. Ask any brexiteer what aspect of our sovereignty is it that the EU has usurped that they voted Leave to get back they say "All of it!" Ask them for specifics they will say "Making our own trade deals with other countries" * Then ask them which countries do they know of where we would strike a better trade deal without the trading clout of the EU they say "USA" * Then ask them how they know this? Answer comes there none..... * As Liam Fox has discovered this load of old bollox comes to you courtesy of "The Brexiteers SOP Handbook" by Nigel Farage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Woody, from what I've read on here I think you are but to be fair to you can you confirm if you are in favour of a no deal exit? yes- it's the best outcome for the uk....... mays agreement is suicide.......so is staying....... what will happen is another matter....... mays agreement guarantees nothing about future trade........so it hear ze german bmw say otherwise is just bullsh1t...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, P.K. said: Ask any brexiteer what aspect of our sovereignty is it that the EU has usurped that they voted Leave to get back they say "All of it!" Ask them for specifics they will say "Making our own trade deals with other countries" * Then ask them which countries do they know of where we would strike a better trade deal without the trading clout of the EU they say "USA" * Then ask them how they know this? Answer comes there none..... * As Liam Fox has discovered this load of old bollox comes to you courtesy of "The Brexiteers SOP Handbook" by Nigel Farage why is it they only cover 11% of trade then......... the eu is terrible at doing trade deals..... the uk has no sovereignty as proven by the recent commons vote which the eu dismissed in seconds...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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