John Wright Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 There’s too much ad hominem stuff going on, and very childish tit for tat comments. Weve seen it all before. Only sensible points, actually commenting on what is actually going on, meaningful links, for the rest of the week. I was ready to suspend P.K. and WTF - we’ve already had months of repeated pointless accusation and denial about voting and remainder/leaver status. One last chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Sounds like Rees-Moog and his ERG cronies are going to reject May's latest deal: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47533666 Edited March 12, 2019 by mojomonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, John Wright said: There’s too much ad hominem stuff going on, and very childish tit for tat comments. Weve seen it all before. Only sensible points, actually commenting on what is actually going on, meaningful links, for the rest of the week. I was ready to suspend P.K. and WTF - we’ve already had months of repeated pointless accusation and denial about voting and remainder/leaver status. One last chance. As you've said before, I know better than this...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 DUP not supporting May, are the odds on a general election shortening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Interesting piece in the Mirror. Looks like May will lose today. Then we get the vote tomorrow on some version of no exit without a deal, and on Thursday about seeking an extension. The AG’s advice says, in lay terms, that the new “understandings” and “clarifications” are not worth the paper they’re written on. ill try to link to that, also. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nobody-wants-brexit-its-time-14117958?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/brexit-attorney-generals-legal-advice-deals-blow-to-pm/5069580.article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, TheTeapot said: Woody: you and your shed7......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Brexit was a possibility before the DUP demanded £1B off the British taxpayer and then insisted the British proposal of special in-the-customs-union status for Northern Ireland to preserve the Good Friday Agreement be scrapped. The DUP was the only NI political party to oppose the GFA. The DUP was endorsed for the 2017 General Election by the Loyalist Communities Council - representatives of the knee-capping, drug dealing gangsters that thrive on conflict and flourished during the troubles. Smuggling fuel etc. was a major source of income for gangsters during the hard-border days. No wonder the DUP insist on the border being the partition border and not the sea. In NI, laws on abortion, same-sex marriage, minority language rights and many other social issues are very different to the UK, but when it comes to customs, the DUP, in spite of the wishes of the majority of NI, want to be the same as the U.K. They are extreme hypocrites There are already controls on the movement of livestock and fat stock between the U.K. and Ireland, and the U.K. could quite easily decide how rigorous it wanted checks at ferry ports to be. There are tories and many others who want to respect the referendum and understand you can’t have a customs border at a border that by international treaty cannot have a customs border. They recognise the only way that is possible is to vote for May’s deal. Yes, it’s a crap deal, the U.K. will be EU members in all but name - with no say. It will be paying a huge bill for the biggest intentional lose of power and influence of a country in history, but it would respect the referendum result. There are plenty of populist brexiters in the Tory party that are scared stiff of Brexit actually happening because they know they will be blamed for the following recession. Their best hope is to support the DUP’s insistence on having a hard border within Ireland whilst pretending there is a real technological solution, the likes of which the world has never seen. They’ll be laughed out of town by the people who would have to set this up, but they’ll manage to sell their ‘we could have had a techno-border but they wouldn’t let us try’ bullshit to their supporters. They’ll be voting against May’s deal. There are also real English nationalist nut jobs in the Tory party who would love to renage on the GFA, and also want the UK out of the EU at all costs. They will be pushing for No Deal - but there are nowhere enough of them for this to happen. They’ll vote against May. Then there are the remainers. Only the SNP, Greens and Lib Dems were elected on remainer tickets, although fair play to the ‘Independent Group’ who, finally split with their zombie parties. They’ll vote against May’s deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Freggyragh said: Signed what? an agreement....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: There are tories and many others who want to respect the referendum and understand you can’t have a customs border at a border that by international treaty cannot have a customs border. can you say which line of the gfa states this..........or are you talking about another treaty............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, John Wright said: Interesting piece in the Mirror. Looks like May will lose today. Then we get the vote tomorrow on some version of no exit without a deal, and on Thursday about seeking an extension. The AG’s advice says, in lay terms, that the new “understandings” and “clarifications” are not worth the paper they’re written on. ill try to link to that, also. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nobody-wants-brexit-its-time-14117958?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/brexit-attorney-generals-legal-advice-deals-blow-to-pm/5069580.article it will be interesting what is actual put forward in these votes if they happen and under what process...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: DUP not supporting May, are the odds on a general election shortening? i don't think the tories or some labour would support one without changes in leadership........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, woody2 said: it will be interesting what is actual put forward in these votes if they happen and under what process...... Indeed. Having agreed with W2 I’m now heading off to see my GP to get my meds adjusted. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, woody2 said: i don't think the tories or some labour would support one without changes in leadership........ If the vote fails today could the current Government actually claim credible leadership though? May has lasted longer than I thought she would, but surely she has to go if this fails today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, woody2 said: i don't think the tories or some labour would support one without changes in leadership........ But surely, if she is defeated in today’s “meaningful” vote, and a no deal exit crashing out prohibition resolution is passed tomorrow, followed by a motion requiring the government to seek an Art 50 extension, her career as PM is over. The interesting bit then is twofold. What will the EU do about extension? Can the government carry amendments to the legislation to change the 29/3 leave date. And if neither comes to pass does she, or anyone in her place, have the bottle to fall on their swords and withdraw Art 50 completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just been watching JRM on Sky News saying that the rapidly-departing-the-UK motor industry is down to difficulties caused by the EU fiddling the emissions legislation Damaging the country's interests used to be called treason. Perhaps it's time we dusted down the court dock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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