RIchard Britten Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 11 hours ago, Rushen Spy said: Loss of liberty is the price you pay for being a sheep. Do you know what happens to the sheep that strays from the flock... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 8 hours ago, woolley said: You are misrepresenting the deal negotiated. Not much more could be done with the crazy way the Art 50 process is laid down. This is why the UK should have insisted on sorting out the future relationship simultaneously with the withdrawal deal and stuck to its guns. As I understand it the article 50 process is quite clear that a member state must leave before it can negotiate a future relationship. The two cannot be done simultaneously under rules that the UK itself signed up for and presumably at some point backed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 9 hours ago, Freggyragh said: Three choices remain on the table at this stage: No deal. Bad deal. Remain. No one campaigned for a no deal Brexit. It wasn’t suggested by any of the Leave campaign groups. It has no mandate, only the super-wealthy elite and their butlers will be backing that. There was no mandate for a bad deal either. No one said ‘vote leave and we’ll give the E.U. £39B, remain in the EU in all but name but lose all say in how it is run.” There was at least a 48% turnout for Remain. what would happen was clearly set out by the government if the uk voted to leave....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 9 hours ago, woolley said: I don't think you are confronting reality with this post, Woody. no deal can't be taken off the table, its in the treaty....... all they are discussing today is the 29th march not any other date...... process is now.......2 non-binding votes........then get the eu to agree to a extension.........could be another vote if eu say something different.........then new legislation....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 39 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: As I understand it the article 50 process is quite clear that a member state must leave before it can negotiate a future relationship. The two cannot be done simultaneously under rules that the UK itself signed up for and presumably at some point backed. trade talks have been happening since art.50 was submitted in case of no deal....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 21 hours ago, manxman1980 said: Doesn't matter. It appears that you believed his words rather than what was actually passed through Parliament which was an advisory referendum. Just remember that this was all an attempt by the Tory party to protect themselves from the growth of UKIP. The referendum would never have happened if the Tory party was not falling apart at the seams. cough...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I can give some perspective as someone working for a manufacturer that exports to the UK. The UK is not a massive market for us but we do have one main dealer for our products and 2 or 3 companies that buy direct from us. Our products are quite specialist, there is no one in the UK making what we make. Our competitors are in other EU countries, in the US (slightly iffy quality) or in China (woeful quality). Over the last few weeks I have had various discussions with these customers and have just received a rather panicky email from one particular customer this morning who is very concerned about his future. The main thing I have learnt from these discussions is that there seems to a complete lack of guidance from the UK Government for UK businesses. I thought one customer was joking when they asked me how imports from the EU to the UK will work after Brexit, but he wasn’t. He said that he was unable to find out any real answers from the UK Government and wondered if other countries actually knew. It would be funny if it weren’t so tragic, looking at it from the outside it appears that the UK Government is slowly strangling UK business through inaction. The UK is perfectly entitled to leave the EU, it was the will of the people and therefore should be carried out, but the complete mess that the UK Government is making of this is abhorrent. The rest of the World is looking at the UK with disbelief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: I can give some perspective as someone working for a manufacturer that exports to the UK. The UK is not a massive market for us but we do have one main dealer for our products and 2 or 3 companies that buy direct from us. Our products are quite specialist, there is no one in the UK making what we make. Our competitors are in other EU countries, in the US (slightly iffy quality) or in China (woeful quality). Over the last few weeks I have had various discussions with these customers and have just received a rather panicky email from one particular customer this morning who is very concerned about his future. The main thing I have learnt from these discussions is that there seems to a complete lack of guidance from the UK Government for UK businesses. I thought one customer was joking when they asked me how imports from the EU to the UK will work after Brexit, but he wasn’t. He said that he was unable to find out any real answers from the UK Government and wondered if other countries actually knew. It would be funny if it weren’t so tragic, looking at it from the outside it appears that the UK Government is slowly strangling UK business through inaction. The UK is perfectly entitled to leave the EU, it was the will of the people and therefore should be carried out, but the complete mess that the UK Government is making of this is abhorrent. The rest of the World is looking at the UK with disbelief. the process for imports/exports is no different to any non-eu country....... all are done under wto inc. the eu....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 for anyone who thinks no deal has changed...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, woody2 said: the process for imports/exports is no different to any non-eu country....... all are done under wto inc. the eu....... That's not the information my customers are getting from the UK Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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woody2 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, mojomonkey said: That's not the information my customers are getting from the UK Government. which part....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, woody2 said: which part....... When they ask the UK Government how imports will work after an exit they are told that the situation is not fixed yet and they will be advised in due course. They are not being told it will all be the same as any non EU country. This is what I am getting told by them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, mojomonkey said: When they ask the UK Government how imports will work after an exit they are told that the situation is not fixed yet and they will be advised in due course. They are not being told it will all be the same as any non EU country. This is what I am getting told by them. on a no deal it will be........all are done under wto rules.......tariffs have been released today..... its straight forward...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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