So the UK is finished says Theresa Mayhem

[woody2]

mojo was spotted......

[woody2]

52 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Raaaaab, Boris and the Moggster all voted for her deal today after previously voting against. 

only to get rid of may then go no deal........

[The Lurker]

1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

Proving that they'll vote for anything now to get the Brexit they crave.

It was last gasp for them to get it through as it stands. Failed.

Proving that they’ll publicly throw their ‘principles’ to the wind if it improves their chances of furthering their personal agendas and political ambitions. 

[woody2]

why no eu flags outside parliament today........

#snowflakes

[woody2]

7 minutes ago, The Lurker said:

Proving that they’ll publicly throw their ‘principles’ to the wind if it improves their chances of furthering their personal agendas and political ambitions. 

aren't all politicians like that........

 

[woolley]

5 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

Which makes the result even more pathetic...  Maybot could not get the WA through even without the Political declaration. 

The Brexiteers who are voting against are at least doing so on principle because they see the deal as not leaving the EU. This is understandable as the whole process has been a creature of the EU meant to keep the UK tied in to the customs union. They tried to disguise the fact as the "Irish backstop" but it was spotted and called out. Whilst this reluctance is understandable it may turn out to be unwise on the basis of half a loaf being better then none, and now they risk none. Bank the gains and then press on for a more complete break later might have been advisable and much more pragmatic.

The Labour Party objections to the deal are simply politically calculating and disingenuous. They claim to want a customs arrangement and single market, so the WA should hold no problems for them. If they get what they say they want they will have to sign up to it in any case. Their position is ridiculous. This cannot be laid at May's door.

[manxman1980]

1 hour ago, woolley said:

The Brexiteers who are voting against are at least doing so on principle because they see the deal as not leaving the EU. This is understandable as the whole process has been a creature of the EU meant to keep the UK tied in to the customs union. They tried to disguise the fact as the "Irish backstop" but it was spotted and called out. Whilst this reluctance is understandable it may turn out to be unwise on the basis of half a loaf being better then none, and now they risk none. Bank the gains and then press on for a more complete break later might have been advisable and much more pragmatic.

The Labour Party objections to the deal are simply politically calculating and disingenuous. They claim to want a customs arrangement and single market, so the WA should hold no problems for them. If they get what they say they want they will have to sign up to it in any case. Their position is ridiculous. This cannot be laid at May's door.

But the backstop was not an EU idea... it was the UK Government that wanted it because otherwise the Union is at risk.  Particularly as Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU.

[woody2]

35 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

But the backstop was not an EU idea... it was the UK Government that wanted it because otherwise the Union is at risk.  Particularly as Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU.

it was oily.....who is pro-eu............

[woolley]

37 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

But the backstop was not an EU idea... it was the UK Government that wanted it because otherwise the Union is at risk.  Particularly as Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU.

Not quite. The EU proposed a NI only backstop, but the UK negotiators knew that NI would not wear that, so they proposed the UK wide one. In the event, none of it has been accepted, but unless there is no deal, it will have to be.

[Non-Believer]

Perhaps one or two people and political organisations in the UK need to realise that the days of UK empire are over for ever; that globalisation is the new world; and that UK economy has largely become service industry based, with foreign owned manufacturing based here for one reason only - EU and attendant area access.

[woody2]

6 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

Perhaps one or two people and political organisations in the UK need to realise that the days of UK empire are over for ever; that globalisation is the new world; and that UK economy has largely become service industry based, with foreign owned manufacturing based here for one reason only - EU and attendant area access.

which is why so may voted to leave the eu.......its a narrow minded protection racket........not interested in world trade......

[woody2]

dominic grieve the first of many to face the reality of the lies they told.........

[manxman1980]

7 hours ago, woody2 said:

it was oily.....who is pro-eu............

Who the hell is oily?   Such a description could refer to any number of conservative MPs alone.

[manxman1980]

24 minutes ago, woody2 said:

which is why so may voted to leave the eu.......its a narrow minded protection racket........not interested in world trade......

Leaving the EU does not change globalisation.  The EU creates a large trading bloc with can compete with the USA and the upcoming economies.

[Declan]

31 minutes ago, woody2 said:

dominic grieve the first of many to face the reality of the lies they told.........

How sad. Took a principled stand and the vote of no confidence was following a campaign led by a past UKIP candidate for constituency who joined the Torys last year. It seems entry-ism isn't only a Labour issue.