Barrie Stevens Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Above should read that I did not need a work permit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Oh, it was theatre, right enough. No doubt written as a thriller, but with Davis miscast as protagonist you might have expected the tragicomic outcome. The amazing farce that it turned into was pretty special though. I wonder what the sequel will be like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 52 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: I don’t know about Woolley, but my opinions on China are reasonably well informed - having first visiting the PRC in 1992 and most recently in 2018. I would never apply a stereotype to the character of Chinese people in general - who I have always found to be highly intelligent, creative, individually unique, and good company. I talked about two things in my comment: 1. The official Chinese Communist view of history. This is important to understand because it portrays Britain (quite accurately as far as Asia goes) as a nation of aggressive, racist thieves. It might be just me, but sometimes it seems that brexiters really think the rest of the world associates the U.K. with fair play and the Beatles. It’s also important to understand that the Chinese do have an official view on history that is hard for people who grew up in a democracy to understand. Have a look at some of the links below, and understand that when Xi says the Brits are the bad guys, no one dare argue. 2. Britain’s weak position when negotiating with China back in the 80’s. https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1019826/hong-kong-handover-xi-jinping-invokes-opium-wars-at-the-inauguration-of-hong-kongs-new-leader/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/2143085/hong-kong-textbooks-row-much-ado-about-nothing-says-carrie https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-opium-wars-still-shape-chinas-view-of-the-west The Chinese are indeed intelligent, creative, cultured, good company and more. Going back for many centuries too. Everyone thinks everyone except themselves are the bad guys. That's just human nature. It's OK for them to think westerners are aggressive racists. Tibet and Mongolia among others might have a different view. Of course you are correct insofar as when the leadership says that the moon is made of rice, everyone is wise to agree promptly. Britain's weak position in the 1980s? Well, the thing was done and dusted long before then. Don't fool yourself that things would have been different had the mighty EU been involved. I doubt that even Uncle Sam could have held that line at the end of the 20th century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 59 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: Hong Kong In 1972 - that must have been a pretty amazing time. Of course neither Thatcher or Deng wanted to mention the threats at the time, but the threat was definitely military: https://www.scmp.com/article/48108/thatcher-reveals-dengs-threat-seize-hong-kong-day Yes, Deng made the point in the 1980s negotiations when preening himself, but it was only made explicit in the 1990s when, at the eleventh hour of British rule Patten, who was trying to build a legacy for himself decided that he was going to award Hong Kong greater democracy going forward into Chinese rule than it had ever been granted under British rule. In the circumstances one can understand Beijing being somewhat irked. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/2180764/declassified-files-reveal-disagreement-heart-british Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: Oh, it was theatre, right enough. No doubt written as a thriller, but with Davis miscast as protagonist you might have expected the tragicomic outcome. The amazing farce that it turned into was pretty special though. I wonder what the sequel will be like. Indeed. I fear we shall not live long enough to find out, to paraphrase Zhou Enlai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 barmy should go on dragons den "well we've got this deal but the other side won't sign it........" and the wa was reopened yesterday.........you know the one the eu said wouldn't be reopened just hours before....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 What is the "wa"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 withdrawal agreement......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 sir nige new party with jrm sister as a side kick....... remoaners in meltdown...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, woody2 said: sir nige new party with jrm sister as a side kick....... remoaners in meltdown...... Yea, laughing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, woody2 said: sir nige new party with jrm sister as a side kick....... remoaners in meltdown...... https://thebrexitparty.com/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, woody2 said: sir nige new party with jrm sister as a side kick....... remoaners in meltdown...... Down on my manor there is no meltdown as no one gives a monkey's coitus any more...Or as Jacob Rees Mogg might say...Que Sera Sera...I suspect most people now think that way.. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=doris+day+today+que+sera+sera+whatever+will+be+will+be&filters=ufn%3a"doris+day+today+que+sera+sera+whatever+will+be+will+be"+sid%3a"f6a29eae-ae75-c73e-6b48-8e45830cc013"&qs=MB&cvid=3cb0235aff63468e83e71e5f095f2a5b&pq=que+sera+s&cc=GB&setlang=en-GB&PC=ASTS&nclid=4F50D8B262F9635FA14D4BEC77B113CB&ts=1555079861890&nclidts=1555079861&tsms=890&wsso=Moderate&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3ddoris%2bday%2btoday%2bque%2bsera%2bsera%2bwhatever%2bwill%2bbe%2bwill%2bbe%26filters%3dufn%3a%22doris%2bday%2btoday%2bque%2bsera%2bsera%2bwhatever%2bwill%2bbe%2bwill%2bbe%22%2bsid%3a%22f6a29eae-ae75-c73e-6b48-8e45830cc013%22%26form%3dWNSGPH%26qs%3dMB%26cvid%3d3cb0235aff63468e83e71e5f095f2a5b%26pq%3dque%2bsera%2bs%26cc%3dGB%26setlang%3den-GB%26PC%3dASTS%26nclid%3d4F50D8B262F9635FA14D4BEC77B113CB%26ts%3d1555079861890%26nclidts%3d1555079861%26tsms%3d890%26wsso%3dModerate&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=47EF483BA29C0811B4C147EF483BA29C0811B4C1&FORM=WRVORC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: Yea, laughing! 37 minutes ago, Bobbie Bobster said: https://thebrexitparty.com/ told ya......... remoaners in meltdown...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Barrie Stevens said: Or as Jacob Rees Mogg might say...Que Sera Sera... Little Lord Snooty wouldn’t stoop to modern Italian, Barrie. More Quis erit, erit or more likely Τι θα είναι, θα είναι but even that is modern, rather than classical. its his patrician humanity, man of the (Eton) people, common touches that make him so popular with Brexit voters who want to be ruled. (NB. I’m aware that the Greek is contemporary, and not classical, like whots tort at Eton) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 hours ago, woody2 said: sir nige new party with jrm sister as a side kick....... remoaners in meltdown...... "UKIP but without the far right" he's sold you out woody. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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