Bobbie Bobster Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, woolley said: Pretty much everything Woody said there is factual. BB " I don't really understand the sovereignty argument and I don't find it a particularly balanced choice. Maybe its an idea that's had its 500 years of fame and isn't best suited to a future of limited resources, climate change and an AI and robotic-dominated empoloyment world. Human nature doesn't change. The world will always be about domination and subordination. Sovereignty and self-determination will never have had its day and those limited resources will be fought over to the death, despite the virtue signalling by governments and corporations. But if you're all more interested in petty, short term economics and your roaming charges, then crack on. Maybe so. Apart from the " uk is doing better" and the "zero power" and the "unelected EU". The rest...just woodytalk about Everton, probably. Who knows? Who cares? Human nature does change. Plenty of examples of that, the fact we dont (nearly) all live as serfs in a feudal sociery is proof enough. Sovereignty has no prophets-given right to continue to exist as a concept any more than that feudal system. But if all you're interested in is petty, short term obsession with some outdated organisational mode, could you please leave the rest of us out of it? Edited April 28, 2019 by Bobbie Bobster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, Bobbie Bobster said: some outdated organisational mode, That's the EU. Right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 26 minutes ago, Bobbie Bobster said: Human nature does change. Not fundamentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, P.K. said: I don't know where you get the gammonite (made up word) idea from either. I've often been accused of being too laid back! Got to say those who use the expression "virtue signalling" always make me smile. What, you think good works should only ever be done in secret or something??? Gammon - I meant the demographic. Slothful male of a certain age. You know? Good works, fine! Fully up for that. No. Virtue signalling is where you get the totally pointless "look at me" signal but there isn't a hope in hell of any associated virtue. A bit like the spectacle of Braddan Commissioners declaring a "climate emergency". Another older example was the declaration of "Nuclear Free Zones" by socialist councils in the 80s. The fact that they still ran on a proportion of nuclear powered electricity and would still be blown to kingdom come along with everywhere else in the event of a nuclear attack was neither here nor there. That is virtue signalling. Edited April 28, 2019 by woolley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 37 minutes ago, woolley said: That's the EU. Right there. Ah no, I was referring to sovereignty. I'm sure the EU will be replaced eventually by something potentially better, but right now it's the best we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, Bobbie Bobster said: Ah no, I was referring to sovereignty. I'm sure the EU will be replaced eventually by something potentially better, but right now it's the best we have. But it isn't. It's the work of the devil. Wake up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, woolley said: Virtue signalling is where you get the totally pointless "look at me" signal but there isn't a hope in hell of any associated virtue. And there, in a nutshell, is Fox, Raab, Johnson, Dorries, Francois, Gove, Fysh, Leadsom, Farage, Rees-Mogg, McVey, Davis, Baker, Fabricant, Duncan Smith, Failing Grayling and other self-centred brain-dead invertebrates too numerous to mention. Loved the "Project Fear" to wit: 2 hours ago, woolley said: As for sovereignty being nebulous, you keep that particular faith at your peril. There's a whiff of irony in the air tonight.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, woolley said: But it isn't. It's the work of the devil. Wake up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 How Vaderesque..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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woody2 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 14 hours ago, Bobbie Bobster said: Maybe so. Apart from the " uk is doing better" and the "zero power" and the "unelected EU". The rest...just woodytalk about Everton, probably. Who knows? Who cares? Human nature does change. Plenty of examples of that, the fact we dont (nearly) all live as serfs in a feudal sociery is proof enough. Sovereignty has no prophets-given right to continue to exist as a concept any more than that feudal system. But if all you're interested in is petty, short term obsession with some outdated organisational mode, could you please leave the rest of us out of it? all true.........you remoans know zero............just like 1880 and his roaming charges........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 ouch....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 It's quite amusing that what should be the last European Elections in the UK will probably have the highest turnout of all that have previously been. Historic turnouts for these elections has been pitiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: It's quite amusing that what should be the last European Elections in the UK will probably have the highest turnout of all that have previously been. Historic turnouts for these elections has been pitiful. Quite. All The Gammons will have seen on the tv in their local Wethers lots of Farage's pathetic tirades in the European Parliament where he competely ignores what's being debated in order to drum up gullible clickbait. They will vote for him and even Widdecombe in droves thinking that Sir Nige is the one to rid them of the crushing iron heel that is the EU. What a true British patriot he is Not.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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