So the UK is finished says Theresa Mayhem

[woolley]

No. Not again. We've been all around the same old parade ground time and time again. You simply don't listen.

[Freggyragh]

You simply don’t understand. 

[woolley]

7 minutes ago, Freggyragh said:

You simply don’t understand. 

Yes I do. But you are of the same ilk. Use words of more than two syllables and your response: "Are you alright mate?" You do not engage beyond your narrow trade oriented perception of the issue.

[P.K.]

2 minutes ago, woolley said:

Yes I do. But you are of the same ilk. Use words of more than two syllables and your response: "Are you alright mate?" You do not engage beyond your narrow trade oriented perception of the issue.

Is anything I have posted above not true?

[Freggyragh]

There’s a real push now to sell off the U.K. to highest bidder, been Tory party policy for some time. When the brekshitters realise the tangible consequences of brekshit the proverbial fan and  shit will come into play. Average monthly basic health insurance premiums for a 64 year old male in the US are $600 - if you have a pre-existing condition you can still get insurance, but that goes if they repeal Obamacare. In all honesty, who’d want to offer health insurance to your typical brekshitter, at all? No offence, but your lot don’t look like the healthiest sector of society. 

[P.K.]

2 minutes ago, Freggyragh said:

There’s a real push now to sell off the U.K. to highest bidder, been Tory party policy for some time. When the brekshitters realise the tangible consequences of brekshit the proverbial fan and  shit will come into play. Average monthly basic health insurance premiums for a 64 year old male in the US are $600 - if you have a pre-existing condition you can still get insurance, but that goes if they repeal Obamacare. In all honesty, who’d want to offer health insurance to your typical brekshitter, at all? No offence, but your lot don’t look like the healthiest sector of society. 

Give the Woolster some credit. Apparently these days he does more exercise than he did at school...

[Freggyragh]

8 minutes ago, woolley said:

Yes I do. But you are of the same ilk. Use words of more than two syllables and your response: "Are you alright mate?" You do not engage beyond your narrow trade oriented perception of the issue.

No. You’re asked again and again to explain what you mean by ‘sovereignty’ and you can’t explain yourself beyond some forlorn nostalgia for tungsten lamps, as if the U.K. is also going to rat on international climate treaties as happily as the super-posh would break the GFA. 

[woolley]

2 hours ago, Freggyragh said:

There’s a real push now to sell off the U.K. to highest bidder, been Tory party policy for some time. When the brekshitters realise the tangible consequences of brekshit the proverbial fan and  shit will come into play. Average monthly basic health insurance premiums for a 64 year old male in the US are $600 - if you have a pre-existing condition you can still get insurance, but that goes if they repeal Obamacare. In all honesty, who’d want to offer health insurance to your typical brekshitter, at all? No offence, but your lot don’t look like the healthiest sector of society. 

I don't know about that. Some of those Brexit Party girls look pretty fit. NHS nothing to do with the EU. This is on a par with an EU conscript army. Momentum style scaremongering of the lowest order.

[woolley]

2 hours ago, P.K. said:

Is anything I have posted above not true?

Most of it.

[woolley]

2 hours ago, P.K. said:

Give the Woolster some credit. Apparently these days he does more exercise than he did at school...

That is totally true. I can't lie.

[woolley]

2 hours ago, Freggyragh said:

No. You’re asked again and again to explain what you mean by ‘sovereignty’ and you can’t explain yourself beyond some forlorn nostalgia for tungsten lamps, as if the U.K. is also going to rat on international climate treaties as happily as the super-posh would break the GFA. 

I have done time and again but you don't like the answers to the extent that you cover your eyes and shout la la la. Forget international climate treaties (see other threads). It ain't gonna happen.

 

[Shake me up Judy]

I'll second your above comment Woolster; that Lucy Harris from the Brexit Party certainly keeps herself fit. No wonder Nigel's ahead in the polls.

Can't agree with your hyperbole about us remoaners though    

Edited June 3, 2019 by Shake me up Judy

[John Wright]

6 hours ago, woolley said:

Why would it not have been? There is this sickening attitude of "poor us, we are hopeless without the EU". It's all fabrication and it's no accident. It's an attitude nurtured by the centrists to emasculate the nation states. Anyone who demurs is immediately and lazily accused of being an insular little Englander. Sovereignty is not a thing of the 1970s. It is for all times and eventualities. The present political situation on the continent is transitory. It is not a settlement in perpetuity, thank goodness.

All political situations, nation states, alliances, trading blocs, and country boundaries, are transitory, and not settled in perpetuity. That’s at international, and internal levels.

Yes, that’s a good thing.

But it doesn’t support your sovereignty, or loss thereof, argument. Indeed it contradicts it.

That being said we live in a representative democracy. Where we elect people to do what’s best for the country. Not what the electorate, or a political party, or a section of the electorate, shouts loudest for. If we did the world would be a sadder, more sorry, more blood thirsty, place. Demagogues and populists would reign.

Is that a good idea?

Now tell us again, with examples, what we get back, practically, from the illusory return of sovereignty.

[woolley]

17 minutes ago, John Wright said:

All political situations, nation states, alliances, trading blocs, and country boundaries, are transitory, and not settled in perpetuity. That’s at international, and internal levels.  OBVIOUSLY AGREE.

Yes, that’s a good thing.

But it doesn’t support your sovereignty, or loss thereof, argument. Indeed it contradicts it. DISAGREE. THE NATION STATE HAS SUSTAINED US FOR 300 YEARS AND MORE. IT IS PRECIOUS TO OUR WELLBEING AND SAFETY. ANYTHING THAT ERODES IT AND ITS INSTITUTIONS IS DANGEROUS.

That being said we live in a representative democracy. Where we elect people to do what’s best for the country. Not what the electorate, or a political party, or a section of the electorate, shouts loudest for. If we did the world would be a sadder, more sorry, more blood thirsty, place. Demagogues and populists would reign. AGREE. EXCEPT THAT THE WORLD IS A BLOODTHIRSTY PLACE AND THIS IS WHAT WE TEND TO LOSE SIGHT OF IN CASTING AWAY OUR HARD WON FREEDOMS TO BE SUBSUMED INTO SOME PAN-CONTINENTAL PUTATIVE GOVERNMENT.

Is that a good idea? OBVIOUSLY NOT. NOT OF ANY PERSUASION THOUGH, NOT JUST THE ONES WITH IDEAS YOU HAPPEN TO DISLIKE.

Now tell us again, with examples, what we get back, practically, from the illusory return of sovereignty. I DON'T ACCEPT THE FLAWED BASIS OF THE LOADED QUESTION. SOVEREIGNTY IS NOT ILLUSORY AND THAT IS WHAT WE GET BACK.

 

[P.K.]

54 minutes ago, woolley said:

. I DON'T ACCEPT THE FLAWED BASIS OF THE LOADED QUESTION.   IS NOT ILLUSORY AND THAT IS WHAT WE GET BACK.

I don't accept the bobbing and weaving to avoid answering the question......

Edited June 3, 2019 by P.K.
Losing the will to live.....