P.K. Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, woolley said: They should do so in the interests of their members, not the UK. Trade is a two way street. They are doing things in the interests of their members. Which is why they are not pandering to the hollow rhetoric of the UK. Once the UK has signed up to the WA and coughed up the £39 bn we owe then they'll move on to discussing trade. Would YOU trust Rees-Mogg, Raab, Fysh, Johnson, Gove, Farage, Duncan-Smith, Martin, Francois, Fox etc etc....? Didn't think so..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) If Fox is not only still in a job after bollixing all the third party roll-over trade deals and failing to get anything new, and Davis and Raab are still able to show their faces after bollixing the EU trade negotiations, then I suppose PM Roy Chubby Brown will be able to spin to the faithful when he gets his arse handed to him on a plate should he ever go to Washington to get a deal for United Kingston. Edited July 23, 2019 by Freggyragh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 9 hours ago, woolley said: They should do so in the interests of their members, not the UK. Trade is a two way street. In reality, trade is a massive spaghetti junction roundabout with roads going off in all directions. And the Leavers decided it would be better to trade on a "two way street". Such a blinkered and short sighted view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RIchard Britten Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 https://www.reknr.com/uk/tax-dodging-tabloids-the-art-of-misdirection/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Gavin Williamson: Education secretary - sacked in May after a Whitehall probe found him guilty of leaking details of an NSC meeting at which Theresa May was said to have controversially given the green light to Chinese telecoms giant Huawei’s involvement in Britain’s 5G network. Priti Patel: Home Secretary - sacked from her job as International Development Secretary after it emerged she had conducted 'off-the-books' meetings with senior Israeli officials during a 'family holiday'. At the time of her resignation, Ms Patel admitted her actions “fell below the high standards that are expected of a Secretary of State.” Dominic Raab: Foreign Secretary - came under fire for saying he "hadn't quite understood" how reliant UK trade in goods is on the Dover-Calais crossing. Ben Wallace: Defence secretary - voted against the 2016 "Landlords Bill" as one of the 72 Conservatives who voted against it (being a bit of a landlord himself). Also joined a smear campaign against Jeremy Corbyn in 2018 claiming Corbyn was a spy. And that was just a cursory glance over the interwebs. A right shower, but then this a Brexit Boris cabinet, so quelle surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Well one thing is for sure, the UK now has a Cabinet Office full of Brexit supporters who have been claiming for months that the EU will crumble and renegotiate the withdrawal agreement. There can be no excuses now. Whatever happens is in the hands of those who believe in Brexit. There are no "remoaners" in senior positions that can be blamed. As I see things now the following will happen; 1. The EU will refuse to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement and will not budge on the backstop; 2. Parliament will block a "no deal" exit; 3. BoJo calls a general election and aims to win a greater majority by positioning the Conservatives as the only party who will deliver Brexit regardless of any possible damage to the UK and its population. In this case he tries to win voters back from the Brexit Party and to win votes from Labour heartlands in the North. After that it all depends on the outcome of that election. Oh, and should BoJo think the UK can keep the £39billion from the EU then I am sure he will enjoying finding out the legal details of doing so.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 7 hours ago, RIchard Britten said: Gavin Williamson: Education secretary - sacked in May after a Whitehall probe found him guilty of leaking details of an NSC meeting Were they discussing the slides that don't fit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, manxman1980 said: Well one thing is for sure, the UK now has a Cabinet Office full of Brexit supporters who have been claiming for months that the EU will crumble and renegotiate the withdrawal agreement. There can be no excuses now. Whatever happens is in the hands of those who believe in Brexit. There are no "remoaners" in senior positions that can be blamed. As I see things now the following will happen; 1. The EU will refuse to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement and will not budge on the backstop; 2. Parliament will block a "no deal" exit; 3. BoJo calls a general election and aims to win a greater majority by positioning the Conservatives as the only party who will deliver Brexit regardless of any possible damage to the UK and its population. In this case he tries to win voters back from the Brexit Party and to win votes from Labour heartlands in the North. After that it all depends on the outcome of that election. Oh, and should BoJo think the UK can keep the £39billion from the EU then I am sure he will enjoying finding out the legal details of doing so.... The EU does have a lot to lose by not adjusting the withdrawal agreement, so refusing to budge is really not in their interest. They say that this is their position, but they would say that, wouldn't they? It hasn't been tested. They might gamble that what you say comes to pass and there is a general election resulting in a more EU friendly government, but that is a high stakes gamble. I'm not a Boris fan, but I will give him one thing. He has optimism for the country, and that has been in very short supply with the unremitting prophets of doom that have stalked every media outlet and forum for the past three years. The UK is not the basket case they would have us believe. Interesting times. Edited July 25, 2019 by woolley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, woolley said: He has optimism for the country... Running a country with blind or wilful ignorance is not how to run a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Running a country with blind or wilful ignorance is not how to run a country. That's just an opinion. Many people are involved in running a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, woolley said: That's just an opinion. Many people are involved in running a country. Still holding out for that unicorn in October? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, RIchard Britten said: Still holding out for that unicorn in October? You're the one who is always going on about unicorns. Why do you take everything that emanates from Brussels as gospel? I hope they do get it over the line because it will be very interesting to see how things proceed free from the EU. If they don't, well it will be back to square one waiting for the next stage on the road to "ever closer union". Or maybe they might have learned their lesson? Unlikely. Democracy can be pretty useless when you have a country split right down the middle and one half totally seduced by the fool's paradise that is the European Union. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, woolley said: You're the one who is always going on about unicorns. Why do you take everything that emanates from Brussels as gospel? Who mentioned Brussels? I'm talking about the amazing utopia that we were promised post-Brexit that we are supposed to get behind or be labelled a doom merchant. Quote Democracy can be pretty useless when you have a country split right down the middle and one half totally seduced by the fool's paradise that is the European Union. Democracy can be pretty useless when you have a country split right down the middle and one half totally seduced by the fool's paradise that is the Brexit unicorn utopia myth. Works both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 22 hours ago, P.K. said: Again, as ever, you overestimate the power of the declining media. Agree about the tax, though. You operate in our territory, you pay the taxes due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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