RIchard Britten Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, woolley said: Do you wish the UK to be part of the projected United States of Europe? Straight out of the financial elite owned right wing press playbook. They have you on a string. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, woolley said: National self-determination is anathema to the globalist financial elites. They why were they pushing so hard for it in their private media empires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-northern-ireland-direct-rule-dominic-raab-boris-johnson-a9024801.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2p8cDlSZAnQZ7lI0AiK-ES_klOuRlmQpTTjzP20GoygPnZzWNgmoiaiFY#comments This is going to end well (/sarcasm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-northern-ireland-direct-rule-dominic-raab-boris-johnson-a9024801.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2p8cDlSZAnQZ7lI0AiK-ES_klOuRlmQpTTjzP20GoygPnZzWNgmoiaiFY#comments This is going to end well (/sarcasm) "............... and would infuriate the nationalist parties in Northern Ireland. " FFS. It was the nationalists that walked out of power sharing. They know what to do. Walk back in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-northern-ireland-direct-rule-dominic-raab-boris-johnson-a9024801.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2p8cDlSZAnQZ7lI0AiK-ES_klOuRlmQpTTjzP20GoygPnZzWNgmoiaiFY#comments This is going to end well (/sarcasm) With due respect to the press barons (not much due) they are not the global financial elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, woolley said: "............... and would infuriate the nationalist parties in Northern Ireland. " FFS. It was the nationalists that walked out of power sharing. They know what to do. Walk back in! And why did they walk out? I know the reason, I am just wondering if you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, RIchard Britten said: And why did they walk out? I know the reason, I am just wondering if you did. Of course, but if affairs of state are at such a cataclysmic pass as portrayed by your linked article, is it not incumbent upon them to set aside their lesser squabbles and pitch back in to the Executive at Stormont? Is it not a dereliction of duty for them to stand back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 39 minutes ago, woolley said: Of course, but if affairs of state are at such a cataclysmic pass as portrayed by your linked article, is it not incumbent upon them to set aside their lesser squabbles and pitch back in to the Executive at Stormont? Is it not a dereliction of duty for them to stand back? What’s their political objective? Hows that served by: turning up to Westminster and defeating Brexit? rejoining the Northern Ireland executive, whilst DUP won’t agree any Irish Language issues, same sex marriage, abortion and exposing themselves to being responsible for the border aftermath of Brexit Letting Westminster impose direct rule and be wholly responsible for the Brexit aftermath in a province that votes remain. Its no different to the Tories voting for Brexit and Boris in an attempt to save the party from UKIP or BP, and not do what’s in the best interests of the country. Even down to the economic disaster that Brexit will be for the by then ex U.K. or a United Ireland would be for Ulster. To turn your question back, is it not dereliction of Tory duty, bordering on treason, to keep on generating a no deal Brexit and the break up of the U.K.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 @ JW: No. Because you cannot see the future and you don't have a monopoly of wisdom on what is best for the UK, nor surety on any of these outcomes, only an opinion, despite stating them as fact. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 3 hours ago, woolley said: Speculation from the usual suspects. Oh no, the 30bn per annum cost for no deal and the long term sub-par economic growth are generally accepted best estimates by informed and rational commentators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Informed and rational are subjective adjectives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Generally accepted is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bobbie Bobster said: Generally accepted is not. Loose, non-specific variable. Intangible. Generally accepted by whom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, woolley said: Loose, non-specific variable. Intangible. Generally accepted by whom? Are you suggesting that there will not be additional costs incurred in a no deal Brexit? Are you backing out of your previous agreement on this very Topic that the effect of Brexit will be a sustained period of lower economic growth? These feel more like the positions of a bad actor. You're not one of those, are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 4 hours ago, woolley said: @ JW: No. Because you cannot see the future and you don't have a monopoly of wisdom on what is best for the UK, nor surety on any of these outcomes, only an opinion, despite stating them as fact. Let's start with the fact that the UK's growth under the EU has been fine. Of course the brexiteers all claim it could have been as good or better outside. Simple analogy a football team buys two star players. They score a shitload of goals and the team gets to the top of the league. The naysayers, lets call them brexiteers, will have the number of goals scored by this pair put under their noses and they will STILL claim it doesn't matter. Because all they want to do is claim that as the results that could have been achieved are a big unknown that's somehow "proof" of their case and the fact that they are top of the league is an irrelevance. Of course, one side of the argument is based on the facts of success and the other side of the argument is based on the square root of fuck-all. And there you have brexit. The "sovereignty" so-called "argument" is just a nebulous chimera of complete and utter bullshit. IMHO it is the biggest con trick of the lot. Ask a brexiteer, as I have, what is the most important part of sovereignty they want back they will say "all of it". Press them on the issue and it will quickly become obvious they haven't a clue what they're talking about. The most frequent answer is "Making our own laws". Point out nobody on the entire planet can make our laws other than our Sovereign Parliament and their eyes glaze over.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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