woolley Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 42 minutes ago, Bobbie Bobster said: It would be interesting to take the same approach to Brexit as was taken for Y2K, I.e. comprehensively fix all the problems *before* the event. Unfortunately the exact opposite is happening. It's an intangible. They would keep on inventing problems forever. Much like the past 3 years and Y2k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, woolley said: It's an intangible. They would keep on inventing problems forever. Much like the past 3 years and Y2k. If it's "intangible" then the brexiteers claims about how much better it will be are complete bollox!!!!! G S & M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, woolley said: They would keep on inventing problems forever. Much like the past 3 years and Y2k. Oh no, you're wrong there. If it wasn't such a problem Brexit would have been done already. And also, Y2k was the perfect example of mitigating an enormous risk by sorting it out beforehand. Kinda like something else that is an enormous risk.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Oh dear..... Any future US-UK trade deal would almost certainly be blocked by the US Congress if Brexit affects the Irish border and jeopardises peace in Northern Ireland, congressional leaders and diplomats have warned. Johnson’s rise to power, and his demand for the EU to drop the backstop, which is intended to safeguard the open border after Brexit, has galvanised determination in Congress to make a stand in defence of the landmark accord, to which the US is guarantor. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/31/brexit-mess-with-good-friday-and-well-block-uk-trade-deal-us-politicians-warn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, P.K. said: Oh dear..... Any future US-UK trade deal would almost certainly be blocked by the US Congress if Brexit affects the Irish border and jeopardises peace in Northern Ireland, congressional leaders and diplomats have warned. Johnson’s rise to power, and his demand for the EU to drop the backstop, which is intended to safeguard the open border after Brexit, has galvanised determination in Congress to make a stand in defence of the landmark accord, to which the US is guarantor. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/31/brexit-mess-with-good-friday-and-well-block-uk-trade-deal-us-politicians-warn So I make that 27 states plus Belgian regional government opposing from one side and 50 member states opposing on the other and Boris is talking about staying in the Single market and Customs union for two years after Brexit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 hours ago, P.K. said: Oh dear..... Any future US-UK trade deal would almost certainly be blocked by the US Congress if Brexit affects the Irish border and jeopardises peace in Northern Ireland, congressional leaders and diplomats have warned. Johnson’s rise to power, and his demand for the EU to drop the backstop, which is intended to safeguard the open border after Brexit, has galvanised determination in Congress to make a stand in defence of the landmark accord, to which the US is guarantor. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/31/brexit-mess-with-good-friday-and-well-block-uk-trade-deal-us-politicians-warn More non-news from the moaning Grauniad. Seeing as everyone has said that there will be no physical infrastructure or inspections at the border where is the "oh dear"? There will be a solution on trading arrangements because it is in everybody's interests, including all EU states, for that to happen. It's the panicking idiots who are the biggest obstacle to the solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 58 minutes ago, woolley said: More non-news from the moaning Grauniad. Seeing as everyone has said that there will be no physical infrastructure or inspections at the border where is the "oh dear"? There will be a solution on trading arrangements because it is in everybody's interests, including all EU states, for that to happen. It's the panicking idiots who are the biggest obstacle to the solution. Has anyone told them this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, woolley said: More non-news from the moaning Grauniad. Seeing as everyone has said that there will be no physical infrastructure or inspections at the border where is the "oh dear"? There will be a solution on trading arrangements because it is in everybody's interests, including all EU states, for that to happen. It's the panicking idiots who are the biggest obstacle to the solution. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/07/31/if-boris-johnson-gets-his-brexit-it-may-break-united-kingdom/ This is what they are reading in Washington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: Has anyone told them this? Who? The EU or the panicking idiots? If the former, no; if the latter, yes, but they are too stupid to take heed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, woolley said: Who? The EU or the panicking idiots? If the former, no; if the latter, yes, but they are too stupid to take heed. Have you ever thought about offering your "expertise" to fix the situation? You claim to have all the answers to fix the situation, but seem to reserve said pearls of wisdom for cheer leading Brexit from the confines of MF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, RIchard Britten said: Have you ever thought about offering your "expertise" to fix the situation? You claim to have all the answers to fix the situation, but seem to reserve said pearls of wisdom for cheer leading Brexit from the confines of MF. They couldn't afford me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, woolley said: They couldn't afford me. Not with the medication anyway.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, woolley said: They couldn't afford me. Hahahahahaha. There is the Brexit Blindness I have come to expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 The peace accord Good Friday etc is seen very much as an Irish American baby...Boston Mass in particular is protective.. Apparently Boris wants the Backstop to go...Irish America says no.. Also such is the sentiment that no trade deal with the USA will be forthcoming if the Peace and Backstop are threatened. In Washington they say that come what may any deal will take 5 to 6 years and if UK plays silly beggars with the border there will be no deal at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/07/31/if-boris-johnson-gets-his-brexit-it-may-break-united-kingdom/ This is what they are reading in Washington Of course, they don't mention that a trading arrangement is as imperative for EU countries as it is for the UK, if not more so. Tariffs cut both ways and they export more goods to us than vice versa. They don't want to lose those sales under any circumstances. Why would they? The only reason that they have looked united on this for more than three years is that their starting position in the negotiation has never been challenged. Under such circumstances, it has been easy for them to hold the line between the 27. And of course, the 27 to 1 ratio is extremely misleading. The UK is nearer to an eighth of the current total EU population and a seventh of the current total EU gdp (pre-Brexit). That is a more accurate assessment of the numbers. As for the break up of the union, well, what will be will be. I happen to think that most people in the UK outside of England know which side their bread is buttered, but time will tell. Whatever happens, it would be better for the union to be broken up from within than dismantled within the coming United States of Europe under "ever closer union". Even if Article 50 were revoked tomorrow, do you think nationalist forces are going to be satisfied? Of course not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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