Freggyragh Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 The U.K. government’s own assessment says that a hard partition border will have to be imposed in Ireland in the event of no-deal. That also means no US trade deal as even if Trump survives his coming recession Congress will block it. ‘Poor little us’ benefit from the Single Market in many more ways than just access to life-saving medicine, food and fuel. Pretending otherwise is farcical, and much as I understand your point about presenting a united front, it just isn’t rational to promote the idea of wrecking your country even further in the vain hope that the EU will therefore give in to UK demands to wreck the peace in Ireland. Mind you, you have to hand it to Johnson et al - they’ve not just managed to get the English to vote away their pensions and healthcare to protect the financial elite, they’ve had groups of peasants marching on London to demand it and making fools of themselves on the internet; mistaking Donald Tusk for Joseph Stalin, advisory notes from a Council meeting for a dictator’s orders, use of Ode to Joy as a pleasantly neutral addition to an opening ceremony for forced singing of Das Horst Wessel Lied, etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Finally some good news about Brexit. We can take back control of our national game.... Oh wait... That's more bollocks isn't it? The EU has nothing to do with the laws of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) One thing that I find strange about a return to a hard Irish border is the brexiter's complete rejection that it will become necessary. Are these not the very same voters that clamoured for all UK borders to be locked down to keep 77 million Turks (yep, that's all of them) out that Haw-Haw tried (and succeeded with half the population) to frighten us about on TV just before the referendum plus all those refugees in his chilling 'breaking point' poster? Unfortunately I can't find any reference to this particular border in his sermons before the vote. There is no doubt in my mind that immigration issues (and Cummins' bus) swung the result yet brexiters demand that the the open border in Ireland stays open. I am well aware that the CTA only applies to British and Irish residents but how are you going to determine in they are in that group or one of the, say, 77m Turks? Could be tricky.... Edited August 21, 2019 by ballaughbiker before the vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 15 hours ago, P.K. said: Captain Chaff returns..... nice of you to fund isabel oakeshott.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Freggyragh said: The U.K. government’s own assessment says that a hard partition border will have to be imposed in Ireland in the event of no-deal. link...... or have you made it up.......bj said different yesterday...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 40 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: One thing that I find strange about a return to a hard Irish border is the brexiter's complete rejection that it will become necessary. ireland has already released its plan......it doesn't have a hard border with no deal........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: Finally some good news about The EU "successfully concluded" with an economy 17% smaller than when the programme started 8 years earlier...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, woody2 said: ireland has already released its plan......it doesn't have a hard border with no deal........ https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dublin-refuses-to-engage-with-uk-on-plan-for-no-deal-brexit-1.3992374 Read this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Freggyragh said: use of Ode to Joy as a pleasantly neutral addition to an opening ceremony for forced singing of Das Horst Wessel Lied, etc, etc. is that the eu theme tune? if so it doesn't apply to the uk....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dublin-refuses-to-engage-with-uk-on-plan-for-no-deal-brexit-1.3992374 Read this The Irish government has again said it will have no new checks at or near the border if there is a no-deal Brexit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48929182 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, woody2 said: ireland has already released its plan......it doesn't have a hard border with no deal........ Ireland says the issue is a unilateral EU matter and not down to any one country and the EU cannot be seen sacrificing a small member nation. It will be a collective decision whenever it comes hence so far the big EU beasts refuse Johnson's blandishments viewing them mainly designed for UK domestic consumption in preparation for a general election..We will have to see what happens in the Commons in September when a fudge or compromise may be possible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, woody2 said: The Irish government has again said it will have no new checks at or near the border if there is a no-deal Brexit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48929182 The report says no new checks and is dated July 19th 2019....Things are moving on hence the Irish Times report... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Well I suppose Cummings must be doing something right. He has the EU cheerleaders more animated in 3 weeks than May managed in 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, woody2 said: is that the eu theme tune? if so it doesn't apply to the uk....... So our newly reclaimed so called sovereignty will preclude performing classical music? https://www.liveabout.com/beethovens-ode-to-joy-lyrics-history-724410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, ballaughbiker said: One thing that I find strange about a return to a hard Irish border is the brexiter's complete rejection that it will become necessary. Are these not the very same voters that clamoured for all UK borders to be locked down to keep 77 million Turks (yep, that's all of them) out that Haw-Haw tried (and succeeded with half the population) to frighten us about on TV just before the referendum plus all those refugees in his chilling 'breaking point' poster? Unfortunately I can't find any reference to this particular border in his sermons. There is no doubt in my mind that immigration issues (and Cummins' bus) swung the result yet brexiters demand that the the open border in Ireland stays open. I am well aware that the CTA only applies to British and Irish residents but how are you going to determine in they are in that group or one of the, say, 77m Turks? Could be tricky.... So they need some form of sustenance. If they are illegal it will come to light when they apply for work or try to claim benefits. Then they can be deported. I appreciate there would be a number involved in criminality or working in the black market economy, but that is a law enforcement issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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