woody2 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: That clearly cannot work in practice. How can the UK stop the Irish Republic from allowing entry by EU citizens to Ireland? its part of the cta...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: They were targeted to meet quotas. That's why those particular ones won their case. it's to do with freedom of movement....... and none was in work...... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42354864 the uk should say who goes and who stays.....no one else...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: Just like the UK atm EU citizens pass freely into the Republic despite neither being in Schengen. The only effective difference is the need to carry an ID card or passport. and? the control of the cta is done by passenger lists...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, woody2 said: its part of the cta...... Which appears simple enough... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: Link? (Given that we haven't a clue how many are really here). How many are pensioners? How many brought children etc? Figures above don't agree with this ons..... the figures on your link doesn't look much different...... 7.4 million born in the eu living in the uk....... your link 7.5 million..... 2.1 million in work...... your link 2.4 million...... we all know its guesswork but its all we have for now....... Edited August 22, 2019 by woody2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, woody2 said: ons..... the figures on your link doesn't look much different...... 7.4 million born in the eu living in the uk....... your link 7.5 million..... 2.1 million in work...... your link 2.4 million...... we all know its guesswork but its all we have for now....... And did you see 8.5% UK work force born in EU? Then there are EU students and those born in the EU living on a pension maybe from a lifetime's UK work or on a pension from an EU state. You used the figures to give the idea that 5.3m are living off us. They aren't. Edited August 22, 2019 by ballaughbiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) @ quilp CTA for Irish and British Citizens only No border means determining that status is far from easy so if no backstop and we have no deal this border will be porous to non British/Irish. That is not a problem for me, but what about the leave voters? Looks like you need a border of which to 'take back control'. Johnson says otherwise. Edited August 22, 2019 by ballaughbiker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 How to blame other people for your Brexit bullsh*t It’s all Remainers’ fault Remainers have completely failed to: devise a foolproof Brexit plan; negotiate new trade deals; support something they don’t agree with which would have made no difference anyway. If the blame for Brexit going wrong lies anywhere, it’s with these total b*stards. https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/how-to-blame-other-people-for-your-brexit-bullsht-20190821188380 Could have been written by the Woolster.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: And did you see 8.5% UK work force born in EU? and? they still don't cover the cost of having them here...... Edited August 22, 2019 by woody2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) It's not easy to get up to date figures but in 2015 , 114,000 EU citizens were claiming jsa/dla/housing benefit. About 2%. No matter what, and dismissing the homeless who were unfairly targeted when May was HS , most (eg not disabled etc) non-workers could be repatriated if they exceed 3 months. We have chosen, not to do that (thankfully). Try exceeding 3 months in Spain with no money or trying to claim benefits or use health services. They are an EU member state. The only difference is their government's choice. The 'jackboot' doesn't force them to do otherwise as you like to portray. Regularly. Edited August 22, 2019 by ballaughbiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: Surely you haven't fallen for the woodyfact that we are supporting 5 ish million EU citizens? It's not easy to get up to date figures but in 2015 , 114,000 EU citizens were claiming jsa. About 2%. your link says 7.5 million born in the eu living in the uk....... 2.4 million in work........... that's 1 in 3 working...... you are missing what the gov. spends per head on public services........ it's between £12k and £15k depending on which data you use...... taking even the lower figure everyone of those 2.4m in work they would all have to be paying £36k in tax just to break even..... how many of your 2.4m get even close? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Hmmm, who to believe? Researchers from the University of Oxford, or the fevered ravings of a brexit supporting poster who can’t form complete sentences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: Hmmm, who to believe? Researchers from the University of Oxford, or the fevered ravings of a brexit supporting poster who can’t form complete sentences? its clearly above your intelligence...... they split the number between eu migrants and eu citizens then choose which one to use that gives it a pro-eu stance...... i wonder how much eu funding they get...... the number born in the eu is 7.5m (7.4m ons) numbers in work 2.4m (2.1m ons) it's a massive cost to the uk which will never be repaid....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, woody2 said: your link says 7.5 million born in the eu living in the uk....... 2.4 million in work........... that's 1 in 3 working...... you are missing what the gov. spends per head on public services........ it's between £12k and £15k depending on which data you use...... taking even the lower figure everyone of those 2.4m in work they would all have to be paying £36k in tax just to break even..... how many of your 2.4m get even close? Ah, I see the problem. The first line in the link says the number of EU born in the U.K. is 3.7M, not 7.5M. That’s where you’re going wrong. 7.5 is a much bigger number than 3.7, more than double actually. No wonder you’ve been getting all upset about immigration! You should have have asked someone who can count to explain it to you, and you wouldn’t have got yourself all worked up, or made a tit of yourself, again. You see, if you had 7.5M EU immigrants and only 2.4M in work, then you’d have 5.1M out of work, and as the majority of EU ex-pats in the U.K. are of working age you’d have at least 2.5M EU unemployed, but as the U.K. as a whole only has 1.5M unemployed you’ll see that this is impossible. Now, if you have only 3.7M EU immigrants and 2.4M are in work, and 1.3M are too young, too old, or too rich to need unemployment benefit, then the number of EU born unemployed will be negligible - as is the case. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-migration-to-and-from-the-uk/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: Ah, I see the problem. The first line in the link says the number of EU born in the U.K. is 3.7M, not 7.5M. That’s where you’re going wrong. 7.5 is a much bigger number than 3.7, more than double actually. No wonder you’ve been getting all upset about immigration! You should have have asked someone who can count to explain it to you, and you wouldn’t have got yourself all worked up, or made a tit of yourself, again. You see, if you had 7.5M EU immigrants and only 2.4M in work, then you’d have 5.1M out of work, and as the majority of EU ex-pats in the U.K. are of working age you’d have at least 2.5M EU unemployed, but as the U.K. as a whole only has 1.5M unemployed you’ll see that this is impossible. Now, if you have only 3.7M EU immigrants and 2.4M are in work, and 1.3M are too young, too old, or too rich to need unemployment benefit, then the number of EU born unemployed will be negligible - as is the case. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-migration-to-and-from-the-uk/ it doesn't say that on bikers link...... Quote The number of EU-born migrants living in the UK stood at 3.7 million in 2017 There were 3.8 million EU citizens living in the UK in 2017, including children born here ons says.... Quote Around 3.7 million people living in the UK in 2018 were citizens of another EU country. That’s about 6% of the UK population Similarly, 6% of the UK population were born in another EU country. = 7.4m or 7.5m depending on data..... the eu say 4.5m EU-born migrants Vs 3 million EU citizens...... which equals 7.5m its still around the same figure and the cost to the uk doesn't change...... still very few paying the tax needed to cover the costs of having them here....... so your wrong again...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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