Freggyragh Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Ah, I see where you’re (you + are = you’re) going wrong there too. You don’t add the number of EU born immigrants to the number of EU citizens to get a total number of EU immigrants (that would be daft). The reason the number for EU citizens is 3.8M, whilst the number for EU born immigrants is only 3.7M is because of 100,000 UK born children who have not taken up U.K. citizenship. As the website explains. By the way, 375,000 of these EU citizens (in 2017) were Irish, whose rights to live and work in the U.K. are by the cta, not EU. Edited August 22, 2019 by Freggyragh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Freggyragh said: Ah, I see where you’re (you + are = you’re) going wrong there too. You don’t add the number of EU born immigrants to the number of EU citizens to get a total number of EU immigrants (that would be daft). not said that..... it gives the total number born in the eu that are in the uk....... still doesn't change the cost to uk taxpayers...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, woody2 said: not said that..... it gives the total number born in the eu that are in the uk....... still doesn't change the cost to uk taxpayers...... Yes, it does. That total is 3.7M. You can’t more than double that number by adding their dependents, if you include them you get 3.8M. Your calculations are out by 7.5m - 3.8M = 3.7M (which is double the population of Northern Ireland) so quite a boo-boo you’ve made there. Consider also that 0.37 of the total are Irish citizens. You really need to think about the employment rate and essential nature of many of the jobs EU immigrants do. You’d be better off following Woolley’s idealistic ‘sovereignty’ isolationist line rather than try and do sums with big numbers and data you don’t understand. Edited August 22, 2019 by Freggyragh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 35 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: Yes, it does. That total is 3.7M. You can’t more than double that number by adding their dependents, if you include them you get 3.8M. Your calculations are out by 7.5m - 3.8M = 3.7M (which is double the population of Northern Ireland) so quite a boo-boo you’ve made there. Consider also that 0.37 of the total are Irish citizens. You really need to think about the employment rate and essential nature of many of the jobs EU immigrants do. You’d be better off following Woolley’s idealistic ‘sovereignty’ isolationist line rather than try and do sums with big numbers and data you don’t understand. it's not dependents in the ons figures of 7.4 million, half are eu nationals born in the eu that now live in the uk........ the total is eu born migrants and eu citizens..... it's not that hard to understand......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Brexit - a Titanic disaster: https://youtu.be/svwslRDTyzU Funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Freggyragh said: You’d be better off following Woolley’s idealistic ‘sovereignty’ isolationist line rather than try and do sums with big numbers and data you don’t understand. A belief in the sovereignty of nations does not render one isolationist in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Quote Brexit - a Titanic disaster: https://youtu.be/svwslRDTyzU Funny! See it before and love Haw-Haw on the bridge at the back looking very shifty whilst they discuss his scuttling of the country. Anyway the vid that followed is quite a good representation if the Irish border issues Hmmm tricky.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 35 minutes ago, woolley said: A belief in the sovereignty of nations does not render one isolationist in the slightest. If the illusion of sovereignty precludes being in a trading bloc it does! Had to laugh at the morning headlines of the UK rabid right wing press, which is to say most of it. Lauding totally amoral narcissistic serial philanderer and inveterate liar Boris Johnson's backstop breakthrough! What a load of old twaddle. Errrrr don't the 27 entities have to vote on it? You know what? I believe they do.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Just now, ballaughbiker said: See it before and love Haw-Haw on the bridge at the back looking very shifty whilst they discuss his scuttling of the country. Anyway the vid that followed is quite a good representation if the Irish border issues Hmmm tricky.... I had to laugh as the pound sank without trace. Not so funny really as some airports, the worst of the lot I know, are offering £ to € parity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, P.K. said: I had to laugh as the pound sank without trace. Not so funny really as some airports, the worst of the lot I know, are offering £ to € parity. Old news. Up from 1.06 to 1.11 this week. Just speculators. Boys will be boys. We all make a few bob on it from time to time. Euro is held up artificially to mask problems with "the project" in any case. Probably 2€ to the £ in a few years, provided the doomsters don't get their way and keep us in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, P.K. said: If the illusion of sovereignty precludes being in a trading bloc it does! no- the uk is in the largest trading block in the world- the wto......... same as the eu-just the uk won't be restricted by eu tariffs........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, ballaughbiker said: Anyway the vid that followed is quite a good representation if the Irish border issues Irish border a 'fictitious problem' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46213434 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, P.K. said: I had to laugh as the pound sank without trace. the european exchange rate mechanism..... remember that? the uk did so well out of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Quote same as the eu-just the uk won't be restricted by eu tariffs........ Except for stuff from the EU which will have tariffs for the first time for us. What a result! Of course if we don't tariff some imports of stuff that currently is below our standards, our home industries meeting those standards won't be able to compete. What a result! PS WTO is not a trading bloc.We won't be in any for years unless there's a miracle. Trashing relationship with the biggest bloc in the world plus those nations they have an agreement with (only 65% of our present exports in total) so we can initially be reliant on the lowest common denominator of WTO/no trading bloc. What a result! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 28 minutes ago, woody2 said: Irish border a 'fictitious problem' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46213434 Strange that he limits his opinion to goods and his expertise must come from the dutch land border with a non EU country C'mon Woody what about these 77m Turks that Haw-Haw was frightening us with just in time for the referendum? You said they were joining the EU so what's stopping them walking in. Has the cloggie got an answer for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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