woolley Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 It's clear from the politicians that they have no real plan. Is it? And they would tell you? There are lots of media types who say there is no real plan. That's all we can say for sure. Whatever the government decides and arranges, the commercial sectors will flourish because there is huge talent and enterprise in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Change is scary but it can be ultimately rewarding. True and I really hope you are right and I am wrong with all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 You sound almost horrified that the public and it's elected representatives could have a much greater say in it's country's affairs. It's strange. What is really strange is that all this wonderful self determination will still have to fit with europe and the rest of the world. Common regulation and laws have huge benefits yet only the cherry picked poorer examples get aired often with huge exaggeration. Imagines woolley looking forward to being able to buy 150W incandescent bulbs from Shoprite again..... Got a carton of a couple of hundred in the loft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 But those same people are the ones who are pushing Brexit through. So what are those selfish ends? They also do a lot of other things. You are trying to steer a specific answer from me to wooley's generalist question. I'm asking you a very specific question and you're refusing to answer it. You said the people who run the country do it for their own selfish ends. We're going through one of the biggest processes in our history in exiting the EU. I'm just asking what are the selfish reasons for doing it? Twist my words all you want, I'm not dancing to your tune. If you haven't the intellectual capacity to finish the conversations you start it might be wise to not enter into the debate. You seem to have a lot to say without ever saying very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 because there is huge talent and enterprise in the UK. If we let all of them stay.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatshaft Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-article-50-negotiations-security-threat-latest-leave-eu-european-union-a7659466.html Slapped doon It's all bollocks. Whipped up by the media and now knocked down by the media. That's how they work. It sells papers, advertising etc. and keeps them in their grubby little jobs. It's a quote from the top of the EU, and repeated what everyone thought when they saw the content of May's abysmal threat letter. Yes. A quote that says they don't believe that interpretation. Did you actually read your link? They actually said that they are taking Mays word that she didn't not mean it to be a threat. Its called diplomacy...clearly something May is lacking. So why do you believe them and not her? That self-hate syndrome coming through again. We have taught the population to hate the country and everything it ever stood for. We've done such a good job miring the young in misplaced guilt. Why? It was clearly a threat, everyone read it that way when the letter was made public initially, this is just confirmation that it was also taken that way too. Now, WM are scrambling to say it's something it wasn't to save not getting negotiations off on a horrible footing. Magnanimously EU officials are seemingly willing to accept that, at least publicly. As Richard says, it's diplomacy, something for which this brexit govt seem totally unskilled in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 because there is huge talent and enterprise in the UK. If we let all of them stay.... So they're all foreigners? Doing ourselves down again. And let's face it. NOBODY is going to get their marching orders. Another media non-story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 If you haven't the intellectual capacity to finish the conversations you start it might be wise to not enter into the debate. You seem to have a lot to say without ever saying very much. If you cant ask the right question how am I supposed to give the right answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Change is scary but it can be ultimately rewarding. True and I really hope you are right and I am wrong with all this. There are two ways at looking at any situation. There are far too many focusing on the negatives and what could and might go wrong, looking back on our membership of the EU and projecting that it would have turned into the land of milk and honey had we stayed. They are the same people going apoplectic about a reality TV star and businessman sitting in the White House. It's a strange situation. Ultimately for a large part you are responsible for your own destiny. If people focused more on that and less on things they can't control they might find a bit more inner calm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 NOBODY is going to get their marching orders. Another media non-story. Just preserving that for later.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Why? It was clearly a threat, everyone read it that way when the letter was made public initially, this is just confirmation that it was also taken that way too. Now, WM are scrambling to say it's something it wasn't to save not getting negotiations off on a horrible footing. Magnanimously EU officials are seemingly willing to accept that, at least publicly. As Richard says, it's diplomacy, something for which this brexit govt seem totally unskilled in. It was a statement of fact. Nothing more, nothing less. If it hadn't been overblown by the media it would simply have been digested by the other side and not a word would have been said until the negotiations. What about the threat from the EU - if you don't pay us fifty billion we don't start trade talks? Where is the shit storm about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Change is scary but it can be ultimately rewarding. True and I really hope you are right and I am wrong with all this. There are two ways at looking at any situation. There are far too many focusing on the negatives and what could and might go wrong, looking back on our membership of the EU and projecting that it would have turned into the land of milk and honey had we stayed. They are the same people going apoplectic about a reality TV star and businessman sitting in the White House. It's a strange situation. Ultimately for a large part you are responsible for your own destiny. If people focused more on that and less on things they can't control they might find a bit more inner calm. How we focus on the positives when no-one can definitvely say what they are? All the Leave seem to say is "what and see" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Why? It was clearly a threat, everyone read it that way when the letter was made public initially, this is just confirmation that it was also taken that way too. Now, WM are scrambling to say it's something it wasn't to save not getting negotiations off on a horrible footing. Magnanimously EU officials are seemingly willing to accept that, at least publicly. As Richard says, it's diplomacy, something for which this brexit govt seem totally unskilled in. It was a statement of fact. Nothing more, nothing less. If it hadn't been overblown by the media it would simply have been digested by the other side and not a word would have been said until the negotiations. What about the threat from the EU - if you don't pay us fifty billion we don't start trade talks? Where is the shit storm about that? Its hard to complian about it when we are the ones forcing the issue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 because there is huge talent and enterprise in the UK. If we let all of them stay.... The UK government isn't going to do anything that would be to the detriment of it's economy. London would collapse overnight without it's immigrant workforce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 And now as the EU goes "pay your brexit bill", we go "pay for NATO" - I actually have a funny feeling both will backfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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