Freggyragh Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 3 hours ago, woody2 said: it's all the police are dealing with....... Bullshit. I’ve given you a link from an independent research body that says otherwise, so where is your link? You just make up woodyfacts, you’re like a breathing copy of the Sun - full of crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Just now, Freggyragh said: Bullshit. I’ve given you a link from an independent research body that says otherwise, so where is your link? You just make up woodyfacts, you’re like a breathing copy of the Sun - full of crap. Have to say I don't know how I've been lured back into Woody's fantasy world so I've put he/she/it back on ignore.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, P.K. said: I'm not surprised: " Nothing she could achieve would ever be as good as what " Sheeeeesh! Terrible grammar! Sorry, but I have been travelling all day. But as for the rest of the post, well, guilty as charged..... I see nothing wrong with the grammar. It's the baloney you build out of it that's the problem. I thought it wasn't a bad effort considering the circumstances of a Remain negotiating team cooking up a deal with the EU that was as close to not being Brexit as Brexit could be, complete with Irish Backstop aka the customs union. The next step - the future relationship - was meant to build on this, i.e. keep the UK in the customs union ad infinitum, because how else would they overcome the need for the backstop? This was never answered. But yes, on balance, as an MP I would have voted for it because I thought it was the most we were going to get at the time, and it would have halted the slide to "ever closer union". We could have left further progress for another day. Not sure what you're driving at concerning May trying to get her deal through 3 times. Yes she did, and they voted it down 3 times. Now they are wailing because they claim that they won't have the time to procrastinate still further. Surely it's all been said. We know exactly what the majority of them want. The row about no deal is a red herring. They want no Brexit at all. They want to frustrate the result of the referendum and that is what is anti-democratic. Edited August 29, 2019 by woolley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, woolley said: But yes, on balance, as an MP I would have voted for it because I thought it was the most we were going to get at the time, and it would have halted the slide to "ever closer union". We could have left further progress for another day. If you were an MP, assuming you weren’t one of the lazy ones, like Nadine Dorries, that never even tried to understand, you would have researched things before opening your mouth or posting nonsense: https://fullfact.org/europe/explaining-eu-deal-ever-closer-union/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 6 hours ago, Freggyragh said: If you were an MP, assuming you weren’t one of the lazy ones, like Nadine Dorries, that never even tried to understand, you would have researched things before opening your mouth or posting nonsense: https://fullfact.org/europe/explaining-eu-deal-ever-closer-union/ Ah. Call Me Dave's 'reformed' EU, where they pretty much sent him away with a figleaf and a flea in his ear. I wonder how much they regret that now. Unfortunately, Freggy, nonsense is not defined as anything that runs counter to your credulous view of the EU. If their lips are moving there's a good chance you may be being duped. So when you post up proof that "ever closer union" is just some benign slogan for a trading bloc, forgive me if I prefer the evidence of recent decades which have seen the introduction of a flag, a parliament, courts, laws, free movement, open borders, central bank , currency,, not one president but five, central planning from the centre for each country etc. There's a mighty big elephant in this trading bloc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 I just don't see your point of view Woolley. There's as much pulling the EU apart as there is unification. Can you really seriously see a continued federalisation of twenty seven (and counting) individual and separate nation states, many of whom are even breaking up within their own borders ? It's not happening now and it won't in the future. It's just the glue that's keeping a trading bloc together, nothing else, and certainly not sinister as you keep suggesting. It's that old bogeyman politics that's been around for ever, and you've allied yourself to a group of free-market pirates who've conned millions of voters with their narrative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: I just don't see your point of view Woolley. There's as much pulling the EU apart as there is unification. Can you really seriously see a continued federalisation of twenty seven (and counting) individual and separate nation states, many of whom are even breaking up within their own borders ? It's not happening now and it won't in the future. It's just the glue that's keeping a trading bloc together, nothing else, and certainly not sinister as you keep suggesting. It's that old bogeyman politics that's been around for ever, and you've allied yourself to a group of free-market pirates who've conned millions of voters with their narrative. most of them have come from controlled states and are more than happy to return...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: I just don't see your point of view Woolley. There's as much pulling the EU apart as there is unification. Can you really seriously see a continued federalisation of twenty seven (and counting) individual and separate nation states, many of whom are even breaking up within their own borders ? It's not happening now and it won't in the future. It's just the glue that's keeping a trading bloc together, nothing else, and certainly not sinister as you keep suggesting. It's that old bogeyman politics that's been around for ever, and you've allied yourself to a group of free-market pirates who've conned millions of voters with their narrative. No, SMUJ, I merely believe in independence of sovereign states which have freedom of jurisdiction without laws, rules, conventions imposed by a supranational authority which can be against the interest of individual states. One size fits all doesn't work and has caused massive privations particularly in Southern Europe. Where joint action is necessary it can be pursued perfectly well by joint action agreed by individual states. Brussels is surplus to requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: I just don't see your point of view Woolley. There's as much pulling the EU apart as there is unification. Can you really seriously see a continued federalisation of twenty seven (and counting) individual and separate nation states, many of whom are even breaking up within their own borders ? It's not happening now and it won't in the future. It's just the glue that's keeping a trading bloc together, nothing else, and certainly not sinister as you keep suggesting. It's that old bogeyman politics that's been around for ever, and you've allied yourself to a group of free-market pirates who've conned millions of voters with their narrative. Very nicely put. Of course, Woolley and the rest of the brexiteers have to ignore the recent successes of the trade deals with entities like Japan and Mercosur..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 10 hours ago, Freggyragh said: Bullshit. I’ve given you a link from an independent research body that says otherwise, so where is your link? You just make up woodyfacts, you’re like a breathing copy of the Sun - full of crap. a bias pro-eu committee..... try again...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, P.K. said: Very nicely put. Of course, Woolley and the rest of the brexiteers have to ignore the recent successes of the trade deals with entities like Japan and Mercosur..... No. Everything is taken account of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, P.K. said: Very nicely put. Of course, Woolley and the rest of the brexiteers have to ignore the recent successes of the trade deals with entities like Japan and Mercosur..... all failed....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) Does it also upset you that the Olympic movement has a flag, or NATO, or the International Federation of Vexillological Associations, or is it just the EU? I get that you don’t like parliaments, I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want a trading bloc that has to standardise the rules of the world’s largest single market to have oversight from an elected body, (unlike the unelected WTO), likewise a court to oversee fair implementation of laws to ensure fair trade. If other countries want a common currency and central bank then the U.K. shouldn’t have to bail them out if they come unstuck, but guess what? It doesn’t. What is the nature of this central planning that effects the U.K.? One example will do. What is it about free movement you don’t like? Do you believe in woodyfacts? Are you blaming the EU for how the U.K. itself deals with immigration? Tell me more about this elephant, because to me it looks like something you’ve imagined. Edited August 30, 2019 by Freggyragh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 38 minutes ago, woody2 said: all failed....... Woodyfact. The European Union–Japan Economic Partnership Agreement has been in force since February 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, woolley said: No. Everything is taken account of. Then you know why all these folks signing up want to trade with the EU. Why don't you post the reasons up on here for your fellow brexiteers to understand what they are turning our backs on. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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