woody2 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Freggyragh said: Woodyfact. The European Union–Japan Economic Partnership Agreement has been in force since February 1st. have you read it? 2030 at least before complete....... they have a agreeement with may.......but it has zero impact..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, P.K. said: Then you know why all these folks signing up want to trade with the EU. Why don't you post the reasons up on here for your fellow brexiteers to understand what they are turning our backs on. Thanks. they don't........ smell the amazon burn, you must be pleased........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 it's illegal to wear political dress at rally in the uk....... time ths pro-eu lot got arrested.... lock them up....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Quote Sir John said: "I promised that, if the prime minister prorogued Parliament in order to prevent members from opposing his Brexit plans, I would seek judicial review of his action. i seem to remember him doing the same....... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49523055 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, woody2 said: have you read it? 2030 at least before complete....... they have a agreeement with may.......but it has zero impact..... https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/eu-japan-economic-partnership-agreement/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/eu-japan-economic-partnership-agreement/ that's a statement...... not the agreement........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 If you click on the blue underlined link it should open so you can read it. If you’re having trouble, copy the link and paste it into either the toolbar or a search engine, such as Google, then you’ll be able to read the link, which begins; ”The EU and Japan's Economic Partnership Agreement entered into force on 1 February 2019.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: If you click on the blue underlined link it should open so you can read it. If you’re having trouble, copy the link and paste it into either the toolbar or a search engine, such as Google, then you’ll be able to read the link, which begins; ”The EU and Japan's Economic Partnership Agreement entered into force on 1 February 2019.” Is it an own goal? Cheaper cars in Europe from Japan, but what about increased competition for European manufacturers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Freggyragh said: Does it also upset you that the Olympic movement has a flag, or NATO, or the International Federation of Vexillological Associations, or is it just the EU? I get that you don’t like parliaments, I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want a trading bloc that has to standardise the rules of the world’s largest single market to have oversight from an elected body, (unlike the unelected WTO), likewise a court to oversee fair implementation of laws to ensure fair trade. If other countries want a common currency and central bank then the U.K. shouldn’t have to bail them out if they come unstuck, but guess what? It doesn’t. What is the nature of this central planning that effects the U.K.? One example will do. What is it about free movement you don’t like? Do you believe in woodyfacts? Are you blaming the EU for how the U.K. itself deals with immigration? Tell me more about this elephant, because to me it looks like something you’ve imagined. This has been answered time and again. The fact that you keep cracking daft by repeatedly asking it will not make the answer any more palatable. Why would the Olympic Movement having a flag be an issue? It has no status as a legislature with pretensions to become a state, nor have the others. Can you not see the difference? The standard "oh it's just a trading bloc that has to standardise its rules" doesn't wash. It is far more than that. Here is the EU's new "cohesion strategy" document. It's full of stuff that a trading bloc has no business poking its snout into. https://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/en/2021_2027/ Same objection to free movement. It should be the prerogative of the nation state to decide who crosses its borders and if and when to change those rules. It should not be the domain of a "common market" that was supposed to exist to give us greater access to edam and golden delicious. Edited August 30, 2019 by woolley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Japanese wages and conditions are comparable or higher than in Europe and there is a ‘strategic partnership agreement’ protocol for standardising and harmonising workers’ rights, health and safety, preventing unfair subsidies, tax evasion, non-tariff barriers to trade, etc. It seems that you are against free-trade and free-movement for some ideological reasons that are not economic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 If you want your golden delicious and Edam then you can either harmonise the rules to ensure fair play with regards to labour, transport and environmental standards, or just hope by some magical coincidence that it happens and that you don’t have farmers and other producers going out of business due to unfair competition, or kicking off and demanding tariffs or non-tariff barriers. The ‘Common Market’ days of disputes over different products, endless political promises of unicorns to one sector or another have been replaced by a ‘Single Market’ where the rules are applied evenly across the board, with help for regions that have struggled to compete in fair and open competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, woody2 said: it's illegal to wear political dress at rally in the uk....... time ths pro-eu lot got arrested.... lock them up....... May we see proof of this? What exactly is a political dress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: Japanese wages and conditions are comparable or higher than in Europe and there is a ‘strategic partnership agreement’ protocol for standardising and harmonising workers’ rights, health and safety, preventing unfair subsidies, tax evasion, non-tariff barriers to trade, etc. It seems that you are against free-trade and free-movement for some ideological reasons that are not economic. Not really. It's just that on a practical level, if you have experience of both, Japanese cars tend to be more reliable and therefore better value. If the European offering is not protected by tariffs in its own backyard it could give the European manufacturers problems in their markets against strong Japanese competition. It is also no incentive for continued manufacture by Japan in Europe if home produced vehicles can be shipped on reducing tariffs and ultimately without any tariffs. This will cost jobs and a realignment of the industry. The world is full of unintended consequences. That's what makes life so interesting. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/manufacturer-news/2019/02/01/new-eu-japan-trade-deal-could-reshape-european-car-market https://politheor.net/japan-eu-trade-deal-an-uneven-road-ahead-for-eu-car-manufacturers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 hours ago, woody2 said: it's illegal to wear political dress at rally in the uk....... time ths pro-eu lot got arrested.... lock them up....... http://www.projectbritain.com/calendar/March/johnbull.html So that's my John Bull suit back in the wardrobe.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: If you want your golden delicious and Edam then you can either harmonise the rules to ensure fair play with regards to labour, transport and environmental standards, or just hope by some magical coincidence that it happens and that you don’t have farmers and other producers going out of business due to unfair competition, or kicking off and demanding tariffs or non-tariff barriers. The ‘Common Market’ days of disputes over different products, endless political promises of unicorns to one sector or another have been replaced by a ‘Single Market’ where the rules are applied evenly across the board, with help for regions that have struggled to compete in fair and open competition. Folks go out of business all of the time. That's life. It is no justification for micromanaging within states from a pan-European level. Read the Cohesion Policy. Healthcare. Regional development assistance. Immigration and asylum policy. Integration. Social Rights. Quality employment, education, skills, social inclusion and equal access to healthcare. It goes on and on. How come we manage to buy most of the stuff we need to get by from the Far East with no such harmonisation? Maybe the EU should start prescribing social, economic and development policy to Beijing too. I wonder what response they would get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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