John Wright Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, woody2 said: which is what the bill is forcing him to do...... Yes, but that’s the big bad, sovereign, parliament in Westminster, taking back control from the executive, not evil EU goblins forcing a date on the U.K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, woody2 said: but that's not going to happen because that would be no deal........ It’s always been an option after 22 May. No deal departure on 31/10 or any earlier date of U.K. choosing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, John Wright said: Yes, but that’s the big bad, sovereign, parliament in Westminster, taking back control from the executive, not evil EU goblins forcing a date on the U.K. it's been drafted by eu lawyers.......this is different to the cooper/letwin bill which was to "seek" a extension...... still don't think it will get the queens consent or govs. consent and it needs one or the other........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 no.10 brief to mp's........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 hours ago, woody2 said: it's been drafted by eu lawyers.......this is different to the cooper/letwin bill which was to "seek" a extension...... still don't think it will get the queens consent or govs. consent and it needs one or the other........ I don't think the bill will succeed but the term you're looking for is royal assent. The last time a monarch refused royal assent was 1707, monarchs pretty much sign off whatever is put in front of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: I don't think the bill will succeed but the term you're looking for is royal assent. The last time a monarch refused royal assent was 1707, monarchs pretty much sign off whatever is put in front of them. no completely different..... queens consent is needed at the 3rd reading if it would effect royal prerogative.......which this would....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I vote we surrender. I've had enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barrie Stevens Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 37 minutes ago, woody2 said: North American saying "Happiness is a wet beaver!" (I assume that the above is a beaver?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, woody2 said: no completely different..... queens consent is needed at the 3rd reading if it would effect royal prerogative.......which this would....... https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/09/02/proponents-of-the-new-bill-to-stop-no-deal-face-a-significant-dilemma-over-queens-consent/ This is what he means... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 8 hours ago, John Wright said: But that depends on the U.K. PM asking for an extension first. It’s the next step in the process. A process that can only be initiated by the U.K. w2 as usual taking something out of context and presenting it as the exact opposite of reality. 7 hours ago, woolley said: Not at all. The UK could ask for a specific date and the EU responds with a date of its own choosing. This poorly drafted document hands the entire initiative to Brussels. W2 is correct. 6 hours ago, John Wright said: The initiative is with the U.K. the agreement is well drafted. Not the fault of the EU that the U.K. has played its hand so badly. The evidence:- we set 29/3 on our own. EU had no say. we asked for 12/4 and EU agreed, no deal or 22/5 If the leave agreement was passed. we asked for another extension, on 10/4, can’t remember what date but think it was end June, and got counter offered 31/10, which we accepted, but we could have left on 12/4, or any date since. March, April and May are completely irrelevant to the point that was made and what happened in the past is neither here nor there in this regard. We were concerned solely with the proposed legislation published last night. It does indeed invite the EU to suggest any date of their choosing which the UK prime minister would be mandated to accept. Sorry, but W2 is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 labour running from a ge........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Barrie Stevens said: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/09/02/proponents-of-the-new-bill-to-stop-no-deal-face-a-significant-dilemma-over-queens-consent/ This is what he means... yes...... but its a bit high end for the remoans around here.........which is why they are so far behind in what's happening......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, woody2 said: yes...... but its a bit high end for the remoans around here.........which is why they are so far behind in what's happening......... Where can I buy a red tie...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Instead of the usual tit for tat arguments about the pros and cons of Brexit/EU, anyone have any predictions on what will happen next and where it will all be in 6 months? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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