woolley Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Have the election. If it's another hung parliament toss a feckin' coin. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) It beggars belief that with the rising threat of murderous domestic terrorism and exploitation of all kinds across the EU by criminal gangs/individuals, France, in a Gallic shrug and in the event of a no-deal Brexit, will deny access to the current systems of intelligence-gathering and refuse to share vital information with British security services. Why would they do this? Is not the sharing of information crucial to world security? Is this action construed as some sort of 'punishment?' Spiteful, and foolish? It surely affects European security also. So why? From the English language version of the French editon of the Telegraph, yesterday. The last paragraph has increasing relevance... Edited September 5, 2019 by quilp Spit and polish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, quilp said: the English language version of the French editon of the Telegraph, yesterday. The Telegraph doesn't have a French edition per se. And is only published in English. The article is from the France section of yesterday's Telegraph. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/04/french-government-urges-companies-prepare-no-deal-expresses/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) I don't subscribe to Premium. The English language versions of the member states' media do provide an indication of their take on Brexit. In the interests of everyone's security it just seems insensible to me. No one benefits. Except those who might do us some harm. Edited September 5, 2019 by quilp Most people don't follow links anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) Prima facie it looks like petulance, but then you have to consider all the legal, and some cases constitutional changes that have to enacted across each member states. Back in the day the UK’s most wanted could go to the Costa del Sol, or the Republic of Ireland and extradition was not straightforward at all - it’s not that some brexiteers didn’t think about security, it’s just that they are ideologically opposed to EU institutions, the concept of pooling sovereignty and the idea that a foreigner might therefore be calling the shots, and those tenets are more important than security, the economy or Britain’s standing in the world. The closest ideology to what the brexit ultra profess is North Koea’s ‘juche’: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche. Edited September 6, 2019 by Freggyragh 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 7 hours ago, Freggyragh said: Prima facie it looks like a petulance, but then you have to consider all the legal, and some cases constitutional changes that have to enacted across each member states. Back in the day the UK’s most wanted could go to the Costa del Sol, or the Republic of Ireland and was not straightforward at all - it’s not that some brexiteers didn’t think about security, it’s just that they are ideologically opposed to EU institutions, the concept of pooling sovereignty and the idea that a foreigner might therefore be calling the shots, and those tenets are more important than security, the economy or Britain’s standing in the world. The closest ideology to what the brexit ultra profess is North Koea’s ‘juche’: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche. you'll find most of the info comes from the uk the eu uses......also it's near impossible to find people in the eu..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 10 hours ago, manxman1980 said: in the year 2525......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lurker Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, quilp said: It beggars belief that with the rising threat of murderous domestic terrorism and exploitation of all kinds across the EU by criminal gangs/individuals, France, in a Gallic shrug and in the event of a no-deal Brexit, will deny access to the current systems of intelligence-gathering and refuse to share vital information with British security services. Why would they do this? Is not the sharing of information crucial to world security? Is this action construed as some sort of 'punishment?' Spiteful, and foolish? It surely affects European security also. So why? From the English language version of the French editon of the Telegraph, yesterday. The last paragraph has increasing relevance... Law enforcement cannot simply share information across a national border without some form of agreement or legal framework; it would be illegal and any action taken based upon illegally shared information would be subsequently illegal so the bad people would get away with whatever they’ve done. Crashing out without a deal voids all agreements with EU member states and will leave UK law enforcement in the dark regards activities in Europe until some kind of replacement arrangement is made. It is not French petulance; although I wouldn’t blame them if it was given how much it will cost them to rebuild the hard border across the channel; but simply complying with law. You say that it beggars belief that the French would deny access to UK security and law enforcement to information; I say it beggars belief that as a nation the UK would even consider taking action that puts them outside of an intelligence gathering framework that has aided our security effectively for many years. Edited September 6, 2019 by The Lurker typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 brothers............who'd have them........... funny how the remoans didn't mention this........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Lurker said: Law enforcement cannot simply share information across a national border without some form of agreement or legal framework; it would be illegal and any action taken based upon illegally shared information would subsequently illegal so the bad people would get away with whatever they’ve done. Crashing out without a deal voids all agreements with EU member states and will leave UK law enforcement in the dark regards activities in Europe until some kind of replacement arrangement is made. It is not French petulance; although I wouldn’t blame them if it was given how much it will cost them to rebuild the hard border across the channel; but simply complying with law. You say that it beggars belief that the French would deny access to UK security and law enforcement to information; I say it beggars belief that as a nation the UK would even consider taking action that puts them outside of an intelligence gathering framework that has aided our security effectively for many years. the french deny the french access...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, woody2 said: brothers............who'd have them........... funny how the remoans didn't mention this........ Here is the bill if anyone wants to read it https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2017-2019/0202/18202.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lurker Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, woody2 said: the french deny the french access...... I have no idea what you mean by that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lurker Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Here is the bill if anyone wants to read it https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2017-2019/0202/18202.pdf I'm no lawyer but I cannot see anything in that bill that suggest that the UK would require the consent of the EU to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Lurker said: I have no idea what you mean by that. see paris attacks.......they don't even share info with the next towns police nevermind the rest of europe....... info sharing goes on bilaterally now........its nothing to do with the eu....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: 31 minutes ago, woody2 said: brothers............who'd have them........... funny how the remoans didn't mention this........ Here is the bill if anyone wants to read it can we expect wall to wall coverage of these brothers disagreement by the lefty remoan media (which is pretty much all of it) your bias shows no end....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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