So the UK is finished says Theresa Mayhem

[woody2]

1 hour ago, The Lurker said:

It does stop it; the whole point of the law is that the UK cannot exit the EU by default without an agreement unless Parliament agrees.

 

just for the record may didn't comply with uk law 3 times.......a vote should of taken place in both houses before extension........why aren't remoan mp's running to court........oh........

[Bobbie Bobster]

30 minutes ago, The Lurker said:

I now see your point.................

should of used commas for the full effect,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[woody2]

[mojomonkey]

^

Except the Conservatives are the party in Government and until a few days ago had a majority. If the above was the case the UK would have left already.

[Shake me up Judy]

If Brexit and the referendum had been a good idea in the first place, we'd have left back in March with a great deal. It's because it's always been such a shit idea that we've had so many obstacles and disagreements and who knows where we're going now. Just because you think you're right Woody doesn't mean you're right.

[woody2]

45 minutes ago, mojomonkey said:

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Except the Conservatives are the party in Government and until a few days ago had a majority. If the above was the case the UK would have left already.

it's a tory election poster........

the only reason the uk hasn't left is due to the amount of remoan mp's......

[pongo]

Britain would have left the EU back last March if the ERG Ultras and the Ulster Loyalists hadn't blocked it.

[Freggyragh]

The reason the U.K. hasn’t left is because Ireland, as member of the EU, and Northern Ireland with its handful of MPs that recognise Westminster holding sway over it, want neither a border between them, between Ireland and Britain, nor Britain and France. The English can shout and bluster, but if they want out of the EU then they’ll have to leave the U.K. first. 

[pongo]

39 minutes ago, Freggyragh said:

The reason the U.K. hasn’t left is 

It's because the ultras have moved the goal posts. 5 years ago sensible euro-sceptics (and it's not an entirely dumb position) would have been happy with a pragmatic semi-detached relationship.

And the other big issue is that social media has allowed knuckle dragging simplistic populism to go mainstream. But make no mistake: Many of the the elderly people who now support nationalist populist perspectives would have been right behind the left wing populism which nearly destroyed Britain in the 70s.

It's almost unbelievable that someone like Corbyn now has a Conservative govt in trouble. Allowing 100k provincial petit-bourgeois flag waving elderly unionist-wing Conservatives to choose their favourite media personality as PM was never going to end well.

Edited September 6, 2019 by pongo

[mojomonkey]

44 minutes ago, woody2 said:

 

the only reason the uk hasn't left is due to the amount of remoan mp's......

On all sides. This really isn't a simple party politics thing, it divides just about all parties.

[pongo]

8 minutes ago, mojomonkey said:

On all sides. This really isn't a simple party politics thing, it divides just about all parties.

No-deal doesn't. Not significantly.

No-deal is only supported by simplistic populists.

It's something which was not on the agenda at the time of the first referendum. All those years ago. 

ETA: I would agree with the very few sensible ultras that, in many ways, it's a side issue vs a final outcome. But it has come to define a cultural distinction between the simplistic populists and the normals.

Edited September 6, 2019 by pongo

[Freggyragh]

20 minutes ago, pongo said:

It's because the ultras have moved the goal posts. 5 years ago sensible euro-sceptics (and it's not an entirely dumb position) would have been happy with a pragmatic semi-detached relationship.

And the other big issue is that social media has allowed knuckle dragging simplistic populism to go mainstream. But make no mistake: Many of the the elderly people who now support nationalist populist perspectives would have been right behind the left wing populism which nearly destroyed Britain in the 70s.

It's almost unbelievable that someone like Corbyn now has a Conservative govt in trouble. Allowing 100k provincial petit-bourgeois flag waving elderly unionist-wing Conservatives elect their favourite media personality was never going to end well.

Everything you say is true, except that those goalposts wouldn’t moved if there hadn’t been the problem of having to erect a hard border in another country - a country where the vast majority on both sides of the border are against brexit - because something like May’s deal would probably have been accepted and she wouldn’t have needed to risk an election when she did. 

Edited September 6, 2019 by Freggyragh

[pongo]

1 minute ago, Freggyragh said:

Everything you say is true, except that those goalposts wouldn’t moved if there hadn’t been the problem of having to erect a hard border in another country - a country where even in the the vast majority on both sides of the border are against brexit - because something like May’s deal would probably have been accepted and she wouldn’t have needed to risk an election when she did. 

Labour and the ERG were equally wrong not to back Mrs May's deal IMO.

The Irish border is self evidently the wet stuff. Two roads etc 

[woody2]

56 minutes ago, Freggyragh said:

The reason the U.K. hasn’t left is because Ireland, as member of the EU, and Northern Ireland with its handful of MPs that recognise Westminster holding sway over it, want neither a border between them, between Ireland and Britain, nor Britain and France. The English can shout and bluster, but if they want out of the EU then they’ll have to leave the U.K. first. 

cta is staying.......so it shows it can be done......

[woody2]

41 minutes ago, mojomonkey said:

On all sides. This really isn't a simple party politics thing, it divides just about all parties.

yep the remoans are to blame.......may's deal is the same as staying in the eu.........they should of gone for it.....