woolley Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: I have not read the Scottish Sun (still under common ownership) to compare that to the England/Wales version and the Irish version. Once again you miss the point which is the same information, presented by the same newspaper group reads very differently in the Irish edition and England/Wales edition. As it does on any contentious issue. Hardly a revelation. It's about selling papers. The Sun and facts shouldn't be appearing in the same sentence. Gives the lie to all of the press influence stuff when the same owners are saying different things to different markets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 9 hours ago, woolley said: Just countering the hysteria on the other side of the argument. Nothing to do with Johnson. The "hysteria" indeed. Laughable! Next thing you'll be claiming we'll get our illusory sovereignty back when, as Gina Miller proved so successfully in the Article 50 farrago, the only organisation that can make UK law is our own sovereign parliament - NOT the executive. The other day a brexiteer mentioned the EU Army leaving me thinking if that's their best shot then they've run out of so-called arguments.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, quilp said: John Major prorogued parliament to stifle questions about the 'cash for questions' scandal. People have short memories woody... and removed the whip over the maastricht treaty........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: It does not surprise me. It is propaganda pure and simple designed to influence the readership and promote sales of the newspapers. What some on here do not seem to appreciate is that the same events are being portrayed in very different ways depending on where the newspaper wants to sell it It's either to sell papers or it's propaganda. If it gives out mixed messages in different places then surely it's the former. Telling them what they want to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, woody2 said: you miss the point.......no "uk edition" as you say....... I have now acknowledge the Scottish edition which was simply an oversight as I have not read it because I do not read the Sun. Quote as for your other point aren't they just targeting a story at a particular market....... Yes, they are - a market that they know will only respond to certain stories. The Irish want an anti-brexit bias and England/Wales want a pro-brexit bias meaning the same facts are twisted to suit the needs of the paper (or other media outlet as required) Quote more worryingly who reads the sun......... Not me but it seems plenty of other people still do. 8 minutes ago, woolley said: As it does on any contentious issue. Hardly a revelation. It's about selling papers. The Sun and facts shouldn't be appearing in the same sentence. Gives the lie to all of the press influence stuff when the same owners are saying different things to different markets. The owners are interested in shifting papers/clicks on websites and around brexit about protecting their fortunes. The facts should remain the same and yet I doubt you could get any media outlet to give you the basic facts of the events in Luxembourg. Yes, I know the press has only a passing relationship with the truth. So do many of the other news outlets. We live in times where investigative journalism is dead and the focus is on consumerism and what will generate income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: It is propaganda pure and simple designed to influence the readership and promote sales of the newspapers. What some on here do not seem to appreciate is that the same events are being portrayed in very different ways depending on where the newspaper wants to sell its stories. Sheltered life? It has always been so. Since the advent of the printing-press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, P.K. said: The "hysteria" indeed. Laughable! Next thing you'll be claiming we'll get our illusory sovereignty back when, as Gina Miller proved so successfully in the Article 50 farrago, the only organisation that can make UK law is our own sovereign parliament - NOT the executive. The other day a brexiteer mentioned the EU Army leaving me thinking if that's their best shot then they've run out of so-called arguments.... you clearly forget about the 40000 eu laws and regulations forced on the uk....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 51 minutes ago, woody2 said: is anybody bothered about the supreme court outcome?...........seems a bit pointless........ although the gall of john major who prorogued parliament for political reasons........ he also removed the whip from those that voted against him..... He also nailed Edwina Currie for years which should bar him from any claim to rational judgment about anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: I have now acknowledge the Scottish edition which was simply an oversight as I have not read it because I do not read the Sun. Yes, they are - a market that they know will only respond to certain stories. The Irish want an anti-brexit bias and England/Wales want a pro-brexit bias meaning the same facts are twisted to suit the needs of the paper (or other media outlet as required) Not me but it seems plenty of other people still do. The owners are interested in shifting papers/clicks on websites and around brexit about protecting their fortunes. The facts should remain the same and yet I doubt you could get any media outlet to give you the basic facts of the events in Luxembourg. Yes, I know the press has only a passing relationship with the truth. So do many of the other news outlets. We live in times where investigative journalism is dead and the focus is on consumerism and what will generate income. guardian.......hysteria......clicks ........revenue........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, woody2 said: you clearly forget about the 40000 eu laws and regulations forced on the uk....... Wasting your time Woody. He has no understanding of sovereignty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, woody2 said: you clearly forget about the 40000 eu laws and regulations forced on the uk....... Name one single piece of EU legislation that you are looking forward to not having to comply with after Brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: We live in times where investigative journalism is dead... This isn't really true though, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, woolley said: Wasting your time Woody. He has no understanding of sovereignty. wait till he finds out snickers is going to be called marathon again...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: Name one single piece of EU legislation that you are looking forward to not having to comply with after Brexit? A question frequently posed by those with no concept of self-determination for now, but more essentially for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 46 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: It does not surprise me. It is propaganda pure and simple designed to influence the readership and promote sales of the newspapers. What some on here do not seem to appreciate is that the same events are being portrayed in very different ways depending on where the newspaper wants to sell its stories. Maybe Johnson also knew that the pro-brexit press would be sympathetic to him in the circumstances and therefore saw very little risk in skipping the event. from the comments of germany and the eu.......they support bj's stance about this set-up....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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