TheTeapot Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 'A man of peace' - Tony Blair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 "He was a coward" - Lord Tebbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Have to agree with the OP on this one. IRA Thug turned politician, proving evil triumphs over all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I think he took the shilling in the end. They bought off a generation of old warriors on both sides. He'd always have been looking over his shoulder, I believe. Wouldn't have liked to be out with him on a dark night in Derry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Who is dead then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Who is dead then? Martin McGuinness. Have you really not read or heard any news today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 A british agent long before entering parliament. Much like gerry adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Who is dead then? Martin McGuinness. Have you really not read or heard any news today? Yes, really. Well, hopefully Gerry Adams will join him. In other good news, scumbag David Rockefeller is dead. Best news I've heard all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 A british agent long before entering parliament. Much like gerry adams There is no reason to believe this - only dissident conspiracy nonsense - often from those more concerned for tradition than for daily life and social conditions in the north. He was clearly a hugely instrumental part of moving the situation from conflict towards reconciliation and sharing. Only someone who commanded genuine respect and authority could have carried the Republican mainstream with him. Tebbit's bitterness is natural - but he is wrong to call him a coward. Since he clearly took incredible personal risks in talking to London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Certainly not a coward. Many things, but not a coward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 A british agent long before entering parliament. Much like gerry adamsThere is no reason to believe this - only dissident conspiracy nonsense - often from those more concerned for tradition than for daily life and social conditions in the north. He was clearly a hugely instrumental part of moving the situation from conflict towards reconciliation and sharing. Only someone who commanded genuine respect and authority could have carried the Republican mainstream with him. Tebbit's bitterness is natural - but he is wrong to call him a coward. Since he clearly took incredible personal risks in talking to London. I served in northern ireland pongo so i don't quite see how that tallies with me speaking dissident conspiracy nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Both compromised. Both would already be dead otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Both compromised. Both would already be dead otherwise If they had been compromised then they would also have been already dead. It works both ways, exactly the same. The excellent BBC journalist Peter Taylor has documented this long road over many years. They would have been identified as people with whom it was possible to find the words and conditions around which those private conversations could become a public dialogue. But that does not imply compromise - it implies their leadership roles. The history shows that the Provisionals were talking to London from their formation, often via UK Foreign Office representatives based in Dublin - and often to the consternation, or without the knowledge of, the military in the north. And typically against the wishes of many traditional Republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessTickle Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I served in northern ireland Really? Thats interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I served in northern ireland Really? Thats interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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