JackCarter Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 'A man of peace' - Tony Blair. Hopefully that turd Gerry Addams will be the next one flushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 It's not very often I agree with you but........................................ Both him and McGuinness were/are cowards. Tebbitt is right. Overall it's a decent day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 If you consider that 3 of the 4 members of the ira's internal security unit- the nutting squad -were british agents and the fourth was ex special boat squadron then you may also consider that british intelligence had a lot more control over who did and who didn't die than you may have prior believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 And the loyalists were equally penetrated. Adams would be dead now had british intelligence not doctored the bullets to be used after being pre warned of the plans by their agent brian nelson. Adams would be dead but it wasn't allowed to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 You may be right Stinky, nothing surprises me, but this is all starting to feel a bit Thomas Jefferson / Gerrydandridge to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 @the-stinking-enigma If the British were deliberately running both sides: Why? Do you believe, for example, in the idea of a deliberate strategy of tension? Or would you lean more towards a cock-up version of history in which different branches of the, so-called, establishment simply didn't always realise that they would have sometimes been running against each other? Because there is no establishment, as such. Or something else. I'm genuinely interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 To play the game for a moment, I could see a rationale for riding both horses if the idea was you could guide them both into heading in the same direction down the road of dialogue. Which I suppose is more or less what happened in the lead up to the Good Friday Agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Unfortunately a plank didn't turn him into a polo mint.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 is mad "snp" alex still a member of the ira..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 The fact that the peace process probably wouldn't have happened without him does not change the fact that he was once a terrorist nutter. Not often I agree with notty but overall it is a decent day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 as they say, the end justifies the means. or does it? http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-spies-recruited-paedo-ira-4466798 certainly not the only one recruited in this way, which of course it the best way to recruit someone that doesn't really want to work for you. that's why kincorra was kept open for business after all. a few links... http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/half-of-all-top-ira-men-worked-for-security-services-28694353.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/14/newsid_2543000/2543503.stm martin ingram- a former member of the now renamed force research unit (FRU) claimed in his book stakeknife that the bullets used in the assasination attempt carried out by members of the UFF had had their gunpowder charge considerably reduced. which had the effect of keeping adams alive. the UFF hitmen didn't know this of course. this was all overseen by members of the FRU and the shooters arrested by plainclothes special branch moments later. i recommend anyone with an interest to read The Dirty War by martin dillon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 one from the spectator https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/the-stakeknife-investigation-and-the-dark-reality-of-double-agents/ https://wikispooks.com/wiki/File:Beyond_collusion.pdf and one quoting peter taylor https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Brian_Nelson "According to Peter Taylor, intelligence from Nelson enabled the TCG Belfast to foil a UFF plan to kill Gerry Adams by seizing the limpet mine that was to be used in the attack." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 "The Troubles" claimed over well over 3000 lives, men, women and children, most of them innocent. To include Australian lawyers murdered by mistake in Roermond on a night out in 1989. Personally, I hope McGuinness rots in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 me too. a pure psycopath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 And the loyalists were equally penetrated. Adams would be dead now had british intelligence not doctored the bullets to be used after being pre warned of the plans by their agent brian nelson. Adams would be dead but it wasn't allowed to happen. Fancy that, laying tarmac by day secret agent by night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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