The Voice of Reason Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, finlo said: When they're giving away houses in Liverpool for a pound someone's been stitched up like a kipper! Well they’re not giving them away. They cost a pound and they aren’t the nicest properties. Not quite sure how that ties in with the landing stage debate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Non-Believer said: How many Manxies travel to Liverpool for its "cultural attractions"? As regards the Thames, it depends if you are proposing building a @£100M Dock in the Thames. Who is going to pay for it, as in where is the money going to be recovered from? Where is the money going to be recovered from for Liverpool? Or do you think that IoMG will gift this to IoM residents for little or nothing and write off the expense as "one of those things"? Suppose it's not £70M<£100M. Suppose it starts edging towards £130M<. Will it still be worthwhile? To proceed with this under the current criteria is a ludicrous proposition for the IoMG finances. The fact that they appear to be willingly doing it on the grounds of an unsubstantiated £40M pull out figure makes it even worse. But from the same organisation who landed us with a £350M bill for a power station, it's hardly surprising. I’ve certainly travelled to Liverpool for its cultural attractions. The aforementioned Walker Gallery, The Tate, Albert Dock , musical concerts, theatre plays, the Liverpool museum, the Beatles experience, the underground war tunnels, visitted both cathedrals, taken the ferry across the Mersey, the Williamson Tunnels to name but a few. And yes I have taken in football matches, experienced different restaurants and even shopped there. A lot of other Manxies have done the same. I am a bit surprised at your implication. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Well they’re not giving them away. They cost a pound and they aren’t the nicest properties. Not quite sure how that ties in with the landing stage debate Prospective buyers have to show they have the resources to redevelop, I believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, quilp said: Prospective buyers have to show they have the resources to redevelop, I believe. That’s my understanding too. Something positive is being done, undeserving of snide comments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 And there's a time limit to completion. It's a good idea though, some of the refurbs are outstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: I’ve certainly travelled to Liverpool for its cultural attractions. The aforementioned Walker Gallery, The Tate, Albert Dock , musical concerts, theatre plays, the Liverpool museum, the Beatles experience, the underground war tunnels, visitted both cathedrals, taken the ferry across the Mersey, the Williamson Tunnels to name but a few. And yes I have taken in football matches, experienced different restaurants and even shopped there. A lot of other Manxies have done the same. I am a bit surprised at your implication. Thousands every year, I'm sure You haven't answered who and how you think it's going to be paid for? And what happens if it exceeds the currently quoted budgets? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 28 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: I’ve certainly travelled to Liverpool for its cultural attractions. The aforementioned Walker Gallery, The Tate, Albert Dock , musical concerts, theatre plays, the Liverpool museum, the Beatles experience, the underground war tunnels, visitted both cathedrals, taken the ferry across the Mersey, the Williamson Tunnels to name but a few. And yes I have taken in football matches, experienced different restaurants and even shopped there. A lot of other Manxies have done the same. I am a bit surprised at your implication. Jesus. I had assumed you were a boring old fart from your posts but it turns out I had massively underestimated. A tiny percentage of people are interested in what you are. Most want pubs and clubs and football. I am beginning to realise why this forum is so far from representative of the real world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Oh dear! What does that mean for the rest of us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: That’s my understanding too. Something positive is being done, undeserving of snide comments. How is it a snidey comment? I was just pointing out that we're spunking 100 million+ in a place that has to give away property for a £1! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opusManx Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) . Edited January 13, 2022 by opusManx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 12 hours ago, Ramseyboi said: Jesus. I had assumed you were a boring old fart from your posts but it turns out I had massively underestimated. A tiny percentage of people are interested in what you are. Most want pubs and clubs and football. I am beginning to realise why this forum is so far from representative of the real world You mean so far from representative of your world. I too like football and pubs ( not so much clubs) but have expanded my horizons to explore other interests that I may enjoy. Perhaps you too as you grow up will begin to appreciate other activities which you can then pursue alongside your love of pubs, clubs and football. This will however require a certain level of maturity which you don’t seem to have reached yet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: You mean so far from representative of your world. I too like football and pubs ( not so much clubs) but have expanded my horizons to explore other interests that I may enjoy. Perhaps you too as you grow up will begin to appreciate other activities which you can then pursue alongside your love of pubs, clubs and football. This will however require a certain level of maturity which you don’t seem to have reached yet He'll also need to like travelling alone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petefella Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 On 12/19/2021 at 11:04 AM, Non-Believer said: TBH, I think it's a bit unfair to blame any of the current Ministers at the moment, they've all only been in post for a couple of months and will still be learning the reins of their various Departments There are several ministers who were ministers under the old government my MHK is one of those. How long do you propose we give them diplomatic immunity for? Especially Cannan who was formerly at Treasury when this fiasco was building up and being ignored. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Questions for the MHKs that frequent this forum: Did any of you receive an invitation to a presentation from DOI outlining the reasons for the additional funding (other than just headlines like COVID, BREXIT etc etc) ?? Were any detailed financial reports made known to you? As far as I am concerned we're well beyond the acceptable limits of contract confidentiality now. It's time we were party to the detail. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petefella Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said: As far as I am concerned we're well beyond the acceptable limits of contract confidentiality now. It's time we were party to the detail. I fully agree with that I’ve already written to my MHK to ask a similar question. I would encourage that people write to all those who supported it asking for their clear reasons why they supported it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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