b4mbi Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Ah understood. Its very unlikely that they would do that. Its double the distance than it is from Holyhead but who wants to go to Holyhead?! 2 hour drive Holyhead to Liverpool, there's not much in it in terms of overall journey time Dublin to Liverpool. Liverpool-Dublin both destinations in themselves, so maybe the market is there both ways? Dublin to Holyhead - 61nm Irish ferries claiming Dublin Swift does it in 2hrs 15mins Dublin to Liverpool - 123nm So roughly 4hrs 30mins to Dublin-Liverpool. which is only 15mins more than ferry to Holyhead then driving.... Sail 6:00hrs arrive 10:30hrs - Return 20:00hrs arrive 00:30hrs ? That's a long day trip, but possible?! Both ways with another vessel! Perhaps not economic though as going fast burns lots of fuel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 29 minutes ago, b4mbi said: but who wants to go to Holyhead?! 2 hour drive Holyhead to Liverpool, there's not much in it in terms of overall journey time Dublin to Liverpool. Liverpool-Dublin both destinations in themselves, so maybe the market is there both ways? Dublin to Holyhead - 61nm Irish ferries claiming Dublin Swift does it in 2hrs 15mins Dublin to Liverpool - 123nm So roughly 4hrs 30mins to Dublin-Liverpool. which is only 15mins more than ferry to Holyhead then driving.... Sail 6:00hrs arrive 10:30hrs - Return 20:00hrs arrive 00:30hrs ? That's a long day trip, but possible?! Both ways with another vessel! Perhaps not economic though as going fast burns lots of fuel! Its an interesting thought It also means the ferry is at sea for much longer so not sure if it would work with their programme As a general rule ferries take the shortest route as they are expensive to run compared to road transport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Andy Onchan said: Outside of sailing times there should be plenty of parking. The GMT is paying a lot of money for this asset and it needs to sweat to pay it's way. Anything that generates revenue and/or stimulates positive PR for IOM can only be a good thing. I’m sure the islands Costa Coffee King will put a Costa in there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 If a Cafe in the terminal were successful where would the passengers go? Anyway, I'm sure the SPco would prefer they used the onboard cafe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, 2112 said: I’m sure the islands Costa Coffee King will put a Costa in there? I haven't looked, but aren't Costa franchises awarded based on postal codes? In which case said gentleman wouldn't get a look-in. Edited January 21, 2022 by Andy Onchan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 From my experience of open to the general public departure areas, both aircraft and boat I don't think anyone is going to get rich trying to make this a destination eatery that would attract any business outside the peeps that have to use it to get here. If there is a food outlet it will be run by a IOM gov department, like the NSC/ hospital cafes and loose a fortune, mark my words. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Well, since the keel laying in December, the hull is complete and the engines are in, it looks like the ferry will be here before the Liverpool berth is ready! https://www.steam-packet.com/blog/isle-of-man-steam-packet-company-new-vessel-progress/?fbclid=IwAR1sjQjmK-3XJ7gmW7__pChtcNoGTMoLFJwpjKmtUTxKV2krqh3vxafGhH0 They don't mess around at these shipyards in Korea, why did Britain fanny about with traditional shipbuilding after witnessing the way ships were built during WW2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Max Power said: Well, since the keel laying in December, the hull is complete and the engines are in, it looks like the ferry will be here before the Liverpool berth is ready! https://www.steam-packet.com/blog/isle-of-man-steam-packet-company-new-vessel-progress/?fbclid=IwAR1sjQjmK-3XJ7gmW7__pChtcNoGTMoLFJwpjKmtUTxKV2krqh3vxafGhH0 They don't mess around at these shipyards in Korea, why did Britain fanny about with traditional shipbuilding after witnessing the way ships were built during WW2? Unions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Boris Johnson said: Unions? Yes, for all their rhetoric, they had a huge hand in tearing British industry apart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 The Irish Ferries idea for the new terminal wouldn't work purely for the reason of the caveat that freight and large vehicles cannot use it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, 0bserver said: The Irish Ferries idea for the new terminal wouldn't work purely for the reason of the caveat that freight and large vehicles cannot use it. That caveat was a nonsense to sign up to at 20 million, its even more of a nonsense at 80 million ! What were they thinking ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 43 minutes ago, 0bserver said: The Irish Ferries idea for the new terminal wouldn't work purely for the reason of the caveat that freight and large vehicles cannot use it. Are you sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Are you sure? Well I can't see why they would want to switch from a perfectly useable port at Holyhead which can process all kinds of vehicles for one which can't? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Are you sure? I did see somewhere that the linkspan is sized for a transit type van at the most so no visiting coaches either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, finlo said: I did see somewhere that the linkspan is sized for a transit type van at the most so no visiting coaches either. 6 minutes ago, 0bserver said: Well I can't see why they would want to switch from a perfectly useable port at Holyhead which can process all kinds of vehicles for one which can't? I'm sure I read that it can take freight including coaches. Its more a planning/traffic issue as far as I know. Apparently it can be used in an emergency for Fright and the now boat can dock there if required. In a memorandum to Tynwald members, the DOI said the new building would "be able to accommodate up to a maximum of 1,000 passengers and 200 checked-in vehicles and winter weekend freight, with emergency backup freight provision should Heysham Port become inaccessible". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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