Taxpayers to dig for £20M for Liverpool Dock

[finlo]

1 hour ago, Chris Thomas said:

Department of Infrastructure Departmental Plan."

You don't seriously believe they have a plan?

[CallMeCurious]

1 hour ago, finlo said:

You don't seriously believe they have a plan?

Plenty of plans but no clue.

[Happier diner]

13 hours ago, Omobono said:

I would suggest the everything is at risk in the department of infrastructure departmental plan  particularly  the time frames and costings for work packages , in the real construction world  the senior  management of this department would be out on their ear , past time they were sorted out a luxury   ( or liability ) we can no longer afford !

But they have already gone. You keep repeating this

[Hoops]

13 hours ago, Chris Thomas said:

You might be interested in what I actually said in Keys:

"The marine works continue to present challenges due to the testing environment and poor recent weather. In the first weeks following the Christmas shutdown high winds hindered progress with the scour protection works in the river due to the inability to operate the crane. Prior to Christmas, approximately 30% of the scour works were in place. Unfortunately, final completion is likely to be affected by the marine works, it seems. I can confirm that the estimated date for completion remains summer 2023, although this date is at risk as indicated clearly in the recent Department of Infrastructure Departmental Plan."

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Government minister tells public "Blah blah blah suck it up"

That's all we ever get, excuses following the mismanagement that got us here in the first place.

You all sound the same once your controllers get their hooks in.

[Hoops]

On 2/2/2023 at 8:48 PM, ballaughbiker said:

It is indeed a cancel/refund/rebook but hardly for the usual reasons. The pax has done absolutely nothing wrong, apart from in the SP's eyes, for stupidly booking on what later turned out to be a rail strike day stopping onward travel.

Yes, EZY would have to charge for entirely different reasons as previously discussed. 

None of this has any relevance to the unique situation where a SP foot pax is forced to change a booking due to a rail strike when they still really want to travel on the booked day. The impact of this scenario on that sailing's profitability is negligible. 

All that's happened is that pax will see this as an unfair 40+% fine and will go on social media to whinge about the IOM  (which is how I know about it) rather than the SP. That does nobody here any good, quite the reverse.

Sea rail / discounted rail fare differential can very easily exceed the cost of sea part of the fare and it seems nearly as daft to say 'it's your fault for not getting our sea rail' as it would be to say 'claim on your travel insurance.'

I don't think it should be beyond business's to act with civility, tbh.

All this, "well, that's what other companies do" doesn't cut it with me - we shouldn't applaud rapacious business practices - look where it's getting us. 

[Non-Believer]

39 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

But they have already gone. You keep repeating this

One has, Black and he was probably the most visible. How many others with the responsibility for leading us down this avenue are still in post though? Any others who have departed will have done so quietly through natural wastage/retirement and will now be equally unaccountable.

By the time PAC have completed their investigations (which they will be unable to fully until the project is completed) others may well be conveniently gone too. All that will remain will be the usual hand-wringing, platitudes and how to cope with the expense.

 

[Gladys]

An appointment has been made (subject to Tywald approval next month) of an Auditor General.  You would hope that the first thing they would do is run their slide rule over some of these high profile debacles. 

But, that may be a pointless exercise as he may be able to expose some oddities but I am not sure what the other powers would be.  Anyway, the brief is to achieve savings, not sure if you can save money that has already been expended. 

[Omobono]

7 minutes ago, Gladys said:

An appointment has been made (subject to Tywald approval next month) of an Auditor General.  You would hope that the first thing they would do is run their slide rule over some of these high profile debacles. 

But, that may be a pointless exercise as he may be able to expose some oddities but I am not sure what the other powers would be.  Anyway, the brief is to achieve savings, not sure if you can save money that has already been expended. 

Only way he will achieve savings is being part of the team when looking at costings and contracts , Auditors tend to be like Coroners only get involved if there is an inquest , and unless  he has the power to recommend dismissal ,

he will be just another extremely well paid toothless tiger  ,filling the place with  reports that nobody can take action on , 

Prevention is much better than cure !

[Gladys]

16 minutes ago, Omobono said:

Only way he will achieve savings is being part of the team when looking at costings and contracts , Auditors tend to be like Coroners only get involved if there is an inquest , and unless  he has the power to recommend dismissal ,

he will be just another extremely well paid toothless tiger  ,filling the place with  reports that nobody can take action on , 

Prevention is much better than cure !

It is an audit role, so retrospective, but hopefully will have enough status to be able to give guidance for costings and contracts, which would be folly not to follow. 

[Dirty Buggane]

Hope his job comes with a leather hood (ooh err) and a fooking big axe. Also a biro to announce gross misconduct in office, so fuck off with no pension.

[CallMeCurious]

1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

One has, Black and he was probably the most visible. How many others with the responsibility for leading us down this avenue are still in post though? Any others who have departed will have done so quietly through natural wastage/retirement and will now be equally unaccountable.

By the time PAC have completed their investigations (which they will be unable to fully until the project is completed) others may well be conveniently gone too. All that will remain will be the usual hand-wringing, platitudes and how to cope with the expense.

 

Who is in charge of the supervision and budgets for the capital projects? Think you'll find the same person is behind the curtain all these years. Sitting at the shoulder of the departments for all of these projects, maybe that is the common denominator across all of these schemes?

After all Black is long gone (resigned 5/11/21) and what has changed? Do we even know who replaced him... still an 'interim'? They've certainly kept a very low profile. Many, many ministers come and gone. No adverts seen for a new CEO to replace him.

 

 

 

[CallMeCurious]

19 minutes ago, Gladys said:

It is an audit role, so retrospective, but hopefully will have enough status to be able to give guidance for costings and contracts, which would be folly not to follow. 

Could axe projects that are no longer viable and prevent even more waste. Just have to accept sunken costs are a loss and move on. Or at least make it clear what the cost will be to continue.

Maybe LoveIOM, extending the tram line to the STB, score board at the Grandstand, Douglas Harbour Super Cruise Berth, Felt Museum and Monorail, Kirk Michael Skybridge etc. That would be a start.

[Gladys]

24 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said:

Could axe projects that are no longer viable and prevent even more waste. Just have to accept sunken costs are a loss and move on. Or at least make it clear what the cost will be to continue.

Maybe LoveIOM, extending the tram line to the STB, score board at the Grandstand, Douglas Harbour Super Cruise Berth, Felt Museum and Monorail, Kirk Michael Skybridge etc. That would be a start.

You want scrutiny of the Felt Museum and Monorail?  They are an absolute necessity at any cost. 

[Non-Believer]

18 minutes ago, Gladys said:

You want scrutiny of the Felt Museum and Monorail?  They are an absolute necessity at any cost. 

Just like the Liverpool Terminal, according to some. Both before it commenced and then into its progress, on "sunk grounds".

Just like the RESA at the airport, the ever-evolving excuses come thick and fast...

[2112]

3 hours ago, Hoops said:

Government minister tells public "Blah blah blah suck it up"

That's all we ever get, excuses following the mismanagement that got us here in the first place.

You all sound the same once your controllers get their hooks in.

Do you seriously expect Messiah Thomas to actually be sympathetic, take one for the team, and try to do something? His ego won’t let him. A big disappointment especially when he was first voted in, he was someone who actually looked at things and was critical.