GD4ELI Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Am I slowly losing the plot or did I on some occasions in the 70's take the boat from Douglas to Birkenhead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 8 hours ago, Non-Believer said: What we need is a referendum, For and Against. Those For can have their taxes hiked accordingly to contribute towards it. Well, as we suffer from increasingly inept government decisions, I for one would be for *local voting initiatives. *Like they did for the redesign of the swept-away bridge in laxey, before discarding the results and building what they wanted to anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hoops said: Well, as we suffer from increasingly inept government decisions, I for one would be for *local voting initiatives. *Like they did for the redesign of the swept-away bridge in laxey, before discarding the results and building what they wanted to anyway. Community voting can't possibly be any worse than the many utter shambolic decisions made by CS and our politicos can it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 8 hours ago, Non-Believer said: What we need is a referendum, For and Against. Those For can have their taxes hiked accordingly to contribute towards it. Can you have referendums on historic decisions? Have you got some fantastic time machine that can undue decisions of the past? Do you mean we should have had a referendum? That would be a more realistic posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 50 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: What’s the point in voting or supporting anything anyway https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/whether-we-get-a-new-fast-craft-isa-debate-for-2026-226757 However, during the consultation, 2,970 (61.1%) of respondents said they wanted to retain the fast craft service to Liverpool rather than replace it with a conventional service. So the end result was … a new ferry that cost £78M that takes 4 hours to get to Liverpool which is exactly what 61.1% of the survey respondents told IOMG they didn’t want. Pointless. But the fast craft is doing the Liverpool route, I’m booked on it twice this year. The new ship will maintgo to Heysham, simply check the schedules!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 42 minutes ago, Banker said: But the fast craft is doing the Liverpool route, I’m booked on it twice this year. The new ship will maintgo to Heysham, simply check the schedules!! The fast craft does the Liverpool route for seven months of the year. So for five months it's sitting idle earning nothing. It's also expensive to run when it does go. So it may not have a financially viable future. As ever it's all down to the £numbers and what people are prepared to pay... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share Posted February 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Happier diner said: Can you have referendums on historic decisions? Have you got some fantastic time machine that can undue decisions of the past? Do you mean we should have had a referendum? That would be a more realistic posting Paying for it in the future would not be a decision of the past. If those who are so avid in their opinions of its necessity are correct then they'll have no issues with paying a bit more for the facility going forward. User and polluter pays and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: Paying for it in the future would not be a decision of the past. If those who are so avid in their opinions of its necessity are correct then they'll have no issues with paying a bit more for the facility going forward. User and polluter pays and all that. Yes, but that is not how it works, we will all be paying!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Paying for it in the future would not be a decision of the past. If those who are so avid in their opinions of its necessity are correct then they'll have no issues with paying a bit more for the facility going forward. User and polluter pays and all that. Not paying would result in a court action as we would be in breach of contract. Are you advocating a referendum that would land the IOM in even in worse financial penalty. 54 minutes ago, Gladys said: Yes, but that is not how it works, we will all be paying!! Yes we will. For a good while. So we had better enjoy our trips to Liverpool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriT Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, P.K. said: The fast craft does the Liverpool route for seven months of the year. So for five months it's sitting idle earning nothing. It's also expensive to run when it does go. So it may not have a financially viable future. As ever it's all down to the £numbers and what people are prepared to pay... How are those Liverpool Day trips and sporting event returns going to run if the winter boat takes 4 hours there and 4 hours back in future? Everyday you feel this island is going backwards not forwards. Edited February 7, 2023 by BriT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 4 hours ago, P.K. said: The fast craft does the Liverpool route for seven months of the year. So for five months it's sitting idle earning nothing. It's also expensive to run when it does go. So it may not have a financially viable future. As ever it's all down to the £numbers and what people are prepared to pay... Its not that simple though is it. The demand for ferries spaces is double in summer so how else could you avoid having at least 2 boats. The only option would be to have a supersized boat all year round which would need even lager dock facilities and run half empty all winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 minute ago, BriT said: How are those Liverpool Day trips and sporting event returns going to run if the winter boat takes 4 hours there and 4 hours back in future? Everyday you feel this island is going backwards not forwards. Same as it did every winter in recent memory! You can’t do a day trip , you stay overnight 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share Posted February 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Not paying would result in a court action as we would be in breach of contract. Are you advocating a referendum that would land the IOM in even in worse financial penalty. Where have I advocated not paying for it? I have said that the supporters of this complete clusterfuck should contribute more for it. Perhaps we should load Liverpool fares accordingly and when visitors protest and tourism is diminished pass them over to the Liverpool Terminal's advocates and supporters. Rather than taxing people who either didn't want it or urged common sense and prudence, until they're bled white - or can't afford to travel themselves. We are all going to be financially punished in the name of these dickheads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Gladys said: Yes, but that is not how it works, we will all be paying!! We all pay for stuff we don’t use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 55 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Not paying would result in a court action as we would be in breach of contract. Court action could have ended up being a good thing, done right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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