Taxpayers to dig for £20M for Liverpool Dock

[2112]

6 hours ago, Banker said:

A Uk MP wants IOMG to contribute to Heysham refurbishment as well!

https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/tory-mp-wants-joint-effort-by-iom-and-uk-government-to-refurb-heyshams-ferry-terminal/

For such a know it all and expert you are a bit slow on this. It has already been mentioned. There has been lots on social media. 

[John Wright]

3 minutes ago, 2112 said:

For such a know it all and expert you are a bit slow on this. It has already been mentioned. There has been lots on social media. 

But to be fair to @Banker, NMM ( Nations Moaning Mouthpiece ) @2112, that’s the  first article reporting that loser Morris wanted IoMG to pay, in part.

[2112]

1 minute ago, John Wright said:

But to be fair to @Banker, NMM ( Nations Moaning Mouthpiece ) @2112, that’s the  first article reporting that loser Morris wanted IoMG to pay, in part.

Peel Ports should refurbish the passenger facilities, but knowing IOMG and its ineptitude, I would imagine the GMP would end up paying, like Liverpool. I thought that the passenger terminal only a few years ago, had considerable investment, redecorating etc and new toilet facilities. Who paid, Peel Ports, SPCo or IOMG? 

[Banker]

30 minutes ago, 2112 said:

Peel Ports should refurbish the passenger facilities, but knowing IOMG and its ineptitude, I would imagine the GMP would end up paying, like Liverpool. I thought that the passenger terminal only a few years ago, had considerable investment, redecorating etc and new toilet facilities. Who paid, Peel Ports, SPCo or IOMG? 

You’re such a know it all, surprised you don’t know!!

[John Wright]

1 hour ago, 2112 said:

Peel Ports should refurbish the passenger facilities, but knowing IOMG and its ineptitude, I would imagine the GMP would end up paying, like Liverpool. I thought that the passenger terminal only a few years ago, had considerable investment, redecorating etc and new toilet facilities. Who paid, Peel Ports, SPCo or IOMG? 

That rather depends on whether PP charge a fee to IoMSPCo per sailing or passenger, for its use, or whether IoMSPCo have a lease.
 

if the former, and PP do work, they’ll increase the fee, if the latter SPCo will want to recoup their outlay. Either way passengers will pay, as they do now, at both Heysham and Liverpool. 

Liverpool the SPCo had a lease on the floating landing stage.

Heysham passenger terminal building is perfectly adequate for the limited numbers who use it. Most passengers don’t. They sit in their cars. But you’re right, it was done up just before the covid pandemic. 

However, the rest of the Harbour facilities are pretty grim, Station facilities non existent. They could do with tarting up. But then having travelled through places like Cork ( Ringaskiddy ), Rosslare Harbour, Genoa, Civitavecchia, Santander, Ancona, Belfast, Igoumenitsa, Barcelona, Holyhead, in the last two years ( as well as Dublin, Liverpool, Santander ) Heysham is nowhere near the bottom of the list for either facilities or infrastructure. In fact it’s pretty near the top.

Where it fails is geographic location closeness to a larger centre of population, with decent shops, hotels, restaurants. But even then it’s not the worst.

Most commercial ports are industrial wasteland shitholes. They’re geared to what makes money ( freight ).  The problem with Heysham is, if you’re a foot passenger, it’s isolated. But then so are Ringaskiddy, Rosslare, no hotels or shops in case of emergency,. You can’t walk into town. But then, apart from Ancona, Igoumenitsa, Santander, or Liverpool I wouldn’t want to exit on foot to get to the nearby city centre. The road network wouldn’t be safe. But at least they’re a comparatively short taxi ride away.

[monasqueen]

21 hours ago, John Wright said:

Most commercial ports are industrial wasteland shitholes. They’re geared to what makes money ( freight ).  The problem with Heysham is, if you’re a foot passenger, it’s isolated. But then so are Ringaskiddy, Rosslare, no hotels or shops in case of emergency,. You can’t walk into town. 

Granted, Ringaskiddy is a little out of the way, but the Ferry Boat Inn is not too far away, and welcoming. Probably not much further than the Duke of Rothesay is to Heysham Port.

What makes Ringaskiddy is the added quality of the air, which allegedly keeps all the locals happy - there's a Viagra factory just down the road! 🤩

[ian rush]

Article comparing English speaking countries delivery of infrastructure vs elsewhere

https://archive.ph/Fv1yR

 

[cissolt]

https://gef.im/news/politics/original-estimates-for-terminal-were-optimistic-41915/

The committee has also concluded that ‘it is hard to provide a value for money assessment for this project’ and that ‘it is almost impossible to know, even with the benefit of hindsight, whether the right amount of money has been spent’.

 

[Omobono]

6 minutes ago, cissolt said:

https://gef.im/news/politics/original-estimates-for-terminal-were-optimistic-41915/

The committee has also concluded that ‘it is hard to provide a value for money assessment for this project’ and that ‘it is almost impossible to know, even with the benefit of hindsight, whether the right amount of money has been spent’.

 

so does it tell us who committed us to such a huge expense ? sounds like a whitewash   with lessons being learned 

 

7 minutes ago, cissolt said:

https://gef.im/news/politics/original-estimates-for-terminal-were-optimistic-41915/

The committee has also concluded that ‘it is hard to provide a value for money assessment for this project’ and that ‘it is almost impossible to know, even with the benefit of hindsight, whether the right amount of money has been spent’.

 

 

[cissolt]

Report here. https://www.tynwald.org.im/business/committee/PAC/Shared Documents/MR56-23.pdf

[Two-lane]

The full length version:

https://www.tynwald.org.im/spfile?file=/business/opqp/sittings/20212026/2023-PP-0123.pdf

[Two-lane]

"An assessment of the skills available to Government, in DOI and other
contracting Departments, to identify where expert advisors would be of benefit
throughout the lifecycle of a project, should be part of the work undertaken
before any project, with a high degree of speciality, is brought to Tynwald for
approval."

"An assessment of the skills available to Government" - who is competent to make that assessment.

It does not seem to me to be a summary that says anything new or surprising.

[Non-Believer]

43 minutes ago, Omobono said:

so does it tell us who committed us to such a huge expense ? sounds like a whitewash   with lessons being learned 

Didn't Allinson previously promise the Manx Public that names would be named?

[cissolt]

It took 5 years before a group was set up to provide political oversight? 

Im sure the DOI happy guy will be on shortly to tell us about how these contracts work and enlighten us as to how the budget was allowed to increase to nearly £100 million.  It was 70 million in 2021, covid only accounted for a £4 million increase.

[asitis]

53 minutes ago, Omobono said:

so does it tell us who committed us to such a huge expense ? sounds like a whitewash   with lessons being learned 

Did you expect anything else ?

PAC like being savaged by your favourite carpet slippers ! Just keep on spending the taxpayers cash boys until there isn't any !

Edited November 15, 2023 by asitis