Ontheinside Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 I see overspending on a shed by the river gets 10 points deducted. Pity IOM team. 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, asitis said: Posters have spoken above about how we don't have experts in this that and the other, and failings weren't identified. My view would be, at some point we shouldn't have needed experts, we didn't need consultants, we just needed someone with common sense. This person/s would have been able to see that a non freight port, costing god knows how much, with upkeep, looking at it's glass, dredging etc etc was going to be expensive, made no sense at all. This project has been like many here where it assumes a life of it's own (power station, airport etc) and dissenters cannot possibly be correct. Of course one would assume that this is why we elect sensible people to be MHK's and at least have common sense if not specialist knowledge ! Sensible people to be MHKs - didn’t the voters of Douglas North vote in - Professor Dr David Ashford MHK, MBE etc. and look where it has got us. A world class supreme expert on every subject - who needs consultants? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, 2112 said: Sensible people to be MHKs - didn’t the voters of Douglas North vote in - Professor Dr David Ashford MHK, MBE etc. and look where it has got us. A world class supreme expert on every subject - who needs consultants? But minus zero common sense …. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 It hasn’t taken Minister Tim long to trot out the lessons will be learned mantra. The NPM headline says ‘government has very expensive lessons to learn’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 What lessons have they learned? 104 projects late and over budget since 2018. They couldn't even answer a question in the keys about how many qualified project managers are employed by DOI. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/less-than-half-of-capital-projects-on-time-and-on-budget-in-last-three-years/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 32 minutes ago, 2112 said: It hasn’t taken Minister Tim long to trot out the lessons will be learned mantra. The NPM headline says ‘government has very expensive lessons to learn’. Expensive lessons to learn is even worse than lessons to learn. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 34 minutes ago, 2112 said: It hasn’t taken Minister Tim long to trot out the lessons will be learned mantra. The NPM headline says ‘government has very expensive lessons to learn’. MR also asked Mr Crookall as to who will be held accountable. Mr Crookall replied, "Ummm, Errr, Ahhh, I'll get back to you" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Another £10 million..? https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/allinson-to-ask-for-funds-for-liverpool-ferry-terminal-650515 Blimey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: MR also asked Mr Crookall as to who will be held accountable. Mr Crookall replied, "Ummm, Errr, Ahhh, I'll get back to you" No he didnt just say that. He said they had mostly already left. Which is true. Then he muttered that bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Just now, quilp said: Another £10 million..? https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/allinson-to-ask-for-funds-for-liverpool-ferry-terminal-650515 Blimey. It won't stop at that. It will be over £100M you mark my words. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Happier diner said: It won't stop at that. It will be over £100M you mark my words. A great many people, me included, think that it already is, Hooper thought so and that was 2 years ago. This extra £10M will see it heading towards £120M, I'd suggest that PAC bandying £70M around is just political damage limitation. ETA Mr Turner also has strong opinions... Edited November 20, 2023 by Non-Believer Typo & screenshots 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 I'm a 30year comeover, and for the last thirty years the phrase "lessons will be learned" has been trotted out Ad Nauseam ! FFS how long does it take to learn a lesson, or perhaps more pertinently, how much public money does it take ! I can accept that our elected have perhaps inherited this problem and therefore strangely for me I don't blame them, however I do expect them to remove the power from the CS to do this again, if that is what they will have us believe. It requires huge reform of HR who appoint absolute incompetents to positions of power and huge reform across the CS and politically before we are truly finished, surely someone we elected can see this ! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 33 minutes ago, Happier diner said: He said they had mostly already left. Do anyone know who are the ones who have left, and who remains? I know that Black has left, but I cannot believe that he was responsible for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentience Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 40 minutes ago, Happier diner said: It won't stop at that. It will be over £100M you mark my words. Exactly the same will happen, IF they ever 'get off the ground', to the plans for our electricity generating 'Windmills' £40,000,000 🥴 my hairy arse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 46 minutes ago, quilp said: Another £10 million..? https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/allinson-to-ask-for-funds-for-liverpool-ferry-terminal-650515 It was asked for in July: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-66196397#:~:text=The cost of the project had already doubled,to approve the transfer from reserves next week. but the decision was put off until now. Maybe they thought the problem would disappear in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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