lfc84 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Am I hearing it right that the Adelte Centaurus Boarding Bridge wasn't used. Even though this website has a photo of Manannan connected to it https://www.adelte.com/project/isle-of-man-ferry-terminal-uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 How did they get them on and off then if not by the Adelte Centaurus Boarding Bridge(I can stop calling it a sky bridge now I know the proper terminology). Please let it be by a fleet of 1965 Mini Coopers jumping the gap, I for one would take the boat more often. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 probably by the same way used at the old Liverpool terminal - walk down the vehicle loading ramp. Would appear to be a long walk - possibly they switched sides to avoid having to cross the traffic stream (or maybe they were kept on board until the vehicles had all got off board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 IOMG and the DoI are well and truly spinning this, and trying to milk the publicity. I’m amazed they didn’t bring on the dancing horses, and clowns. Minister Crookall says that the new ferry terminal will cement links with Liverpool for years to come. Links with Liverpool and the IOM have been forged since the birth of the Steam Packet. The NPM tried to interview Minister Crookall but he declined, whilst travelling back on Mannanan. Delayed £70 million + project opens its doors to passengers The infrastructure minister says he is looking forward to ‘years of continued service’ from the Isle of Man Ferry Terminal in Liverpool, The £70 million plus facility, at Prince’s Half-Tide Dock, opened its doors yesterday (25 June). It follows years of delay and spiralling costs. Tim Crookall hosted a tour of the building, and surrounding infrastructure, for the Lord Mayor of Liverpool and representatives from Peel Waters. He said: "Today’s (25 June) tour was about acknowledging the role played by both Liverpool City Council and Peel Waters in helping us in many different ways to deliver the new ferry terminal and cement links with the city for generations to come. "Tangible examples of this support will be seen by passengers each time they use the new facility: through the council’s investment in Triskelion Way, the road leading to the terminal, and a pedestrian footbridge funded by Peel Waters, which helps to connect the riverside route for walkers, runners and cyclists." Chris Capes, Development Director for Liverpool Waters, said: "This marks another significant milestone in the regeneration of Liverpool’s northern docklands and will create new opportunities for tourism, jobs and further investment." Minister Crookall declined to be interviewed by Manx Radio onboard his return journey to the Isle of Man on Manannan. But this passenger who was travelling told us what she thought about the new terminal: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Dim Tim, ideal fall guy for this official opening, others will have been trying to put as much distance between themselves and the project as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 26 Author Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, 2112 said: IOMG and the DoI are well and truly spinning this, and trying to milk the publicity. I’m amazed they didn’t bring on the dancing horses, and clowns. Minister Crookall says that the new ferry terminal will cement links with Liverpool for years to come. Links with Liverpool and the IOM have been forged since the birth of the Steam Packet. The NPM tried to interview Minister Crookall but he declined, whilst travelling back on Mannanan. Delayed £70 million + project opens its doors to passengers The infrastructure minister says he is looking forward to ‘years of continued service’ from the Isle of Man Ferry Terminal in Liverpool, The £70 million plus facility, at Prince’s Half-Tide Dock, opened its doors yesterday (25 June). It follows years of delay and spiralling costs. Tim Crookall hosted a tour of the building, and surrounding infrastructure, for the Lord Mayor of Liverpool and representatives from Peel Waters. He said: "Today’s (25 June) tour was about acknowledging the role played by both Liverpool City Council and Peel Waters in helping us in many different ways to deliver the new ferry terminal and cement links with the city for generations to come. "Tangible examples of this support will be seen by passengers each time they use the new facility: through the council’s investment in Triskelion Way, the road leading to the terminal, and a pedestrian footbridge funded by Peel Waters, which helps to connect the riverside route for walkers, runners and cyclists." Chris Capes, Development Director for Liverpool Waters, said: "This marks another significant milestone in the regeneration of Liverpool’s northern docklands and will create new opportunities for tourism, jobs and further investment." Minister Crookall declined to be interviewed by Manx Radio onboard his return journey to the Isle of Man on Manannan. But this passenger who was travelling told us what she thought about the new terminal: There's very little in his statement about the actual terminal though; the bridge, the road, the riverside route for walkers, runners and cyclists - but what's any of that got to do with the terminal? The "opportunities for tourism, jobs and further investment" quoted by Liverpool Waters also remain to be quantified. Far more telling is Crookall declining to be interviewed on the matter by the nation's own broadcaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 6 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Far more telling is Crookall declining to be interviewed on the matter by the nation's own broadcaster. Odd, when MR is considered to be a propaganda mouthpiece for IOMG (by some, anyway)… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 2 hours ago, 2112 said: IOMG and the DoI are well and truly spinning this, and trying to milk the publicity. I’m amazed they didn’t bring on the dancing horses, and clowns. Minister Crookall says that the new ferry terminal will cement links with Liverpool for years to come. Links with Liverpool and the IOM have been forged since the birth of the Steam Packet. The NPM tried to interview Minister Crookall but he declined, whilst travelling back on Mannanan. Delayed £70 million + project opens its doors to passengers The infrastructure minister says he is looking forward to ‘years of continued service’ from the Isle of Man Ferry Terminal in Liverpool, The £70 million plus facility, at Prince’s Half-Tide Dock, opened its doors yesterday (25 June). It follows years of delay and spiralling costs. Tim Crookall hosted a tour of the building, and surrounding infrastructure, for the Lord Mayor of Liverpool and representatives from Peel Waters. He said: "Today’s (25 June) tour was about acknowledging the role played by both Liverpool City Council and Peel Waters in helping us in many different ways to deliver the new ferry terminal and cement links with the city for generations to come. "Tangible examples of this support will be seen by passengers each time they use the new facility: through the council’s investment in Triskelion Way, the road leading to the terminal, and a pedestrian footbridge funded by Peel Waters, which helps to connect the riverside route for walkers, runners and cyclists." Chris Capes, Development Director for Liverpool Waters, said: "This marks another significant milestone in the regeneration of Liverpool’s northern docklands and will create new opportunities for tourism, jobs and further investment." Minister Crookall declined to be interviewed by Manx Radio onboard his return journey to the Isle of Man on Manannan. But this passenger who was travelling told us what she thought about the new terminal: Is that really a passenger? Sounds more like the south African lady who reads the news. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 26 Author Share Posted June 26 If the Terminal had actually been budgeted to cost £100M and had come in at that (or even under), our lot would have been all over the opening like a cheap suit. Every politician or civil servant who had had the remotest connection to it would want to be part of the mutual wankfest, pictures, interviews, radio, socials, the lot. Instead, even the current DOI Minister shies away from interview. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 25 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: If the Terminal had actually been budgeted to cost £100M and had come in at that (or even under), our lot would have been all over the opening like a cheap suit. Every politician or civil servant who had had the remotest connection to it would want to be part of the mutual wankfest, pictures, interviews, radio, socials, the lot. Instead, even the current DOI Minister shies away from interview. But of course it would never have been built in those circumstances - even our politicos would have revolted. As indeed they have on several occasions during this farce - and been fobbed off or ignored. What has been completely characteristic of this whole 'project' is that no one has ever seemed to be remotely in control. Not Tynwald, not the succession of clueless Ministers in DoI, Treasury etc. not the civil servants, not the contractors, not the Steam Packet or Peel or Liverpool Council. What's more no one seems to have even seen the need for someone to be in control - things were just expected to 'happen'. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 26 Author Share Posted June 26 37 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: What has been completely characteristic of this whole 'project' is that no one has ever seemed to be remotely in control. Not Tynwald, not the succession of clueless Ministers in DoI, Treasury etc. not the civil servants, not the contractors, not the Steam Packet or Peel or Liverpool Council. What's more no one seems to have even seen the need for someone to be in control - things were just expected to 'happen'. Something akin to the Douglas Promenade "redevelopment" too. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 DOI's idea of being in control reminds me of the film The Men Who Stared At Goats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 6 hours ago, 2112 said: IOMG and the DoI are well and truly spinning this, and trying to milk the publicity. I’m amazed they didn’t bring on the dancing horses, and clowns. Minister Crookall says that the new ferry terminal will cement links with Liverpool for years to come. Links with Liverpool and the IOM have been forged since the birth of the Steam Packet. The NPM tried to interview Minister Crookall but he declined, whilst travelling back on Mannanan. Delayed £70 million + project opens its doors to passengers The infrastructure minister says he is looking forward to ‘years of continued service’ from the Isle of Man Ferry Terminal in Liverpool, The £70 million plus facility, at Prince’s Half-Tide Dock, opened its doors yesterday (25 June). It follows years of delay and spiralling costs. Tim Crookall hosted a tour of the building, and surrounding infrastructure, for the Lord Mayor of Liverpool and representatives from Peel Waters. He said: "Today’s (25 June) tour was about acknowledging the role played by both Liverpool City Council and Peel Waters in helping us in many different ways to deliver the new ferry terminal and cement links with the city for generations to come. "Tangible examples of this support will be seen by passengers each time they use the new facility: through the council’s investment in Triskelion Way, the road leading to the terminal, and a pedestrian footbridge funded by Peel Waters, which helps to connect the riverside route for walkers, runners and cyclists." Chris Capes, Development Director for Liverpool Waters, said: "This marks another significant milestone in the regeneration of Liverpool’s northern docklands and will create new opportunities for tourism, jobs and further investment." Minister Crookall declined to be interviewed by Manx Radio onboard his return journey to the Isle of Man on Manannan. But this passenger who was travelling told us what she thought about the new terminal: We're not looking for walkers, runners and cyclists who may be in the area. We need passengers on the boat. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, Moghrey Mie said: We're not looking for walkers, runners and cyclists who may be in the area. We need passengers on the boat. The fares will soon be reflecting the awful amount of debt the SPCO is now expected to run with ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: Something akin to the Douglas Promenade "redevelopment" too. Well quite. And for the same reason, the way that these projects are developed and run and indeed what the point of them is. There's a saying: The purpose of a system is what it does. Which sounds obvious, but is actually explains why things go wrong so often if you actually think about it. As that Wiki article says: [The phrase ] is a systems thinking heuristic coined by Stafford Beer, who observed that there is "no point in claiming that the purpose of a system is to do what it constantly fails to do." The term is widely used by systems theorists, and is generally invoked to counter the notion that the purpose of a system can be read from the intentions of those who design, operate, or promote it. When a system's side effects or unintended consequences reveal that its behaviour is poorly understood, then the POSIWID perspective can balance political understandings of system behaviour with a more straightforwardly descriptive view. So when things go repeatedly wrong in the same way, we have to ignore the claims of public benefit and good intentions (whether they are sincere or not doesn't matter), we have to look at what and who really benefited and how. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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