The Phantom Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 34 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: I wonder if we'll get a technical explanation for these tidal conditions? A truthful one? It's a really low tide bang on docking time. Hence why waiting an hour for a bit more water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 27 Author Share Posted June 27 The Dock is a "blind" though, a sort of cul-de-sac, is it not, with its open mouth facing upstream into the flow of the Mersey? In which case it will act as a natural sediment trap for material being washed along by the river. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 17 minutes ago, The Phantom said: It's a really low tide bang on docking time. Hence why waiting an hour for a bit more water. That’s for Douglas, a fully tidal harbour, with a tiny river, rather than a full estuary with huge amounts of river water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 45 minutes ago, John Wright said: It was supposed to have been dredged however, Is Peel Ports responsible for the dredging? Maybe their dredging equipment is fully occupied dredging Heysham harbour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 26 minutes ago, John Wright said: That’s for Douglas, a fully tidal harbour, with a tiny river, rather than a full estuary with huge amounts of river water. They're claiming 'Tidal Issues' at the same time as lowtide (which in Liverpool is 30 mins later than Douglas). Completely unrelated I'm sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Poppins Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 hour ago, John Wright said: And, so it begins. Manannan arrival in Liverpool delayed by an hour due to tidal conditions in the Mersey There's a reason locals used to call it "Part Time Dock". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosun Bill Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 50 minutes ago, The Phantom said: It's a really low tide bang on docking time. Hence why waiting an hour for a bit more water. But it’s not a really low tide, they’ll occur on Spring tides when it’s HW around Noon/Midnight and low around 6 in the morning and evening. Wind and air pressure also play a significant part as well, today with SW winds and low pressure the tide will hold in more than predicted conversely with High pressure ( can anyone remember one ) and NE winds it’ll push it out more so I’d be expecting significant problems on the afternoon sailings to Liverpool around the Spring tides if in fact it is a tidal problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 It just exposes the foolishness of ploughing ahead with this project in this location and at this cost ! The taxpayers deserve a full and frank enquiry or this shit is going to keep happening, the phrase lessons have been learned is insufficient to cover the enormity of this fuck up ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman2000 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 2 hours ago, John Wright said: That was just a “tunnel” to protect foot passengers from the elements between Sea Terminal and ship. Did it have a hydraulic walkway with changing level to embark?. I don’t think it was so hi tec, out of the walkway and up the gang plank. But then I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 13 minutes ago, The Phantom said: They're claiming 'Tidal Issues' at the same time as lowtide (which in Liverpool is 30 mins later than Douglas). Completely unrelated I'm sure. Yes, but because of the river water level the range isn’t anything like as big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 2 minutes ago, Manxman2000 said: I don’t think it was so hi tec, out of the walkway and up the gang plank. But then I could be wrong. That’s my recollection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman2000 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 (edited) The water on the Mersey can be unpredictable, the Mersey Ferries have to stand off a berth either side of the river to let a squall blow through, too dangerous to try to get alongside. I have been on the little SeaCat when they have held the cars from disembarking due to the cat bouncing around on the old landing stage. The new berth could be difficult quite often. I bet they have tug assistance a lot Edited June 28 by Manxman2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman2000 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: The Dock is a "blind" though, a sort of cul-de-sac, is it not, with its open mouth facing upstream into the flow of the Mersey? In which case it will act as a natural sediment trap for material being washed along by the river. Makes you wonder why that dock gate was put out of use a long time ago. It was out of use when HMS Eaglet was there. That’s going back about 40 plus years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 27 Author Share Posted June 27 35 minutes ago, Manxman2000 said: Makes you wonder why that dock gate was put out of use a long time ago. It was out of use when HMS Eaglet was there. That’s going back about 40 plus years. For £100M we should have Moses adjusting the fecking tides... 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Poppins Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: For £100M we should have Moses adjusting the fecking tides... We paid for Moses and got King Cnut instead. Edited June 27 by Hairy Poppins 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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