John Wright Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: Police custody block. On time and under budget. Needed riding like Shergar though. Lots of ‘givens’ like design fees were able to be binned as the suppliers did it all in house. I like to think that piece of work cancelled out the nonsense that was Lord St Police Station... Yeah, the leaking roof, the idiosyncratic and uncontrollable heating and ventilation, the noise issues, the sound proofing issues, the layout that restricts entry or movement when someone is at the desk, 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 The steam packet are saying their design idea was rejected (more expensive but would have solved the scour problem) the engineers are expensive and rubbish, so new engineers have been engaged, and the steam packed wasn’t consulted weren’t consulted on thrust of the mannanan. And that what tim baker said in Tynwald differs from their recollection of events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, ptarmigan said: The steam packet are saying their design idea was rejected (more expensive but would have solved the scour problem) the engineers are expensive and rubbish, so new engineers have been engaged, and the steam packed wasn’t consulted weren’t consulted on thrust of the mannanan. And that what tim baker said in Tynwald differs from their recollection of events. Sounds like we need another, no stone left unturned, investigation 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Sounds like we need another, no stone left unturned, investigation While we speak consultances are rubbing there hands together and forming a queue ..Anyone surprised that once again we might be getting fleeced !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Numbnuts Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Oh dear !! No words really 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, John Wright said: Yeah, the leaking roof, the idiosyncratic and uncontrollable heating and ventilation, the noise issues, the sound proofing issues, the layout that restricts entry or movement when someone is at the desk, 25 year warranty so hopefully facilities are on top of it. Not sure about the soundproofing issues? Don’t recall those. And entry and movement control is in place in every custody block in the British Isles. It’s not a layout issues but one of management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: 25 year warranty so hopefully facilities are on top of it. Not sure about the soundproofing issues? Don’t recall those. And entry and movement control is in place in every custody block in the British Isles. It’s not a layout issues but one of management. The heating and ventilation continues to be a serious issue. Detainees commonly have to be moved from cell to cell. Leaks are dealt with by buckets. You can stand at the desk in custody snd hear every word being spoken by the FME in the medical consultation room. Oh, and it was designed and executed without level/disabled access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 21 minutes ago, John Wright said: The heating and ventilation continues to be a serious issue. Detainees commonly have to be moved from cell to cell. Leaks are dealt with by buckets. You can stand at the desk in custody snd hear every word being spoken by the FME in the medical consultation room. Oh, and it was designed and executed without level/disabled access. Disappointed to hear the ventilation still unresolved. That was flagged up very early. And the soundproofing for the medical room should be easily resolved. It’s an insulated wall retrofit. as for the disabled access, this is an issue because it was actually designed to have it. The station side was meant to have a compliant ramp. After I moved to OSG completion was handed over to facilities and all sort of odd things started to happen! Keep pestering for that. It’s not right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 46 minutes ago, John Wright said: Why is Tim Baker still holding a Ministerial position? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: Disappointed to hear the ventilation still unresolved. That was flagged up very early. And the soundproofing for the medical room should be easily resolved. It’s an insulated wall retrofit. as for the disabled access, this is an issue because it was actually designed to have it. The station side was meant to have a compliant ramp. After I moved to OSG completion was handed over to facilities and all sort of odd things started to happen! Keep pestering for that. It’s not right. It’s ok. I enter by the side gate. I’ve persuaded installation of a dropped kerb inside the compound. But the side gate failed recently. If anyone parks overhanging the footpath leading to the gate ( and they do ) then it’s blocked at the outside, as well. I think the sound proofing is the door. Doesn’t instil confidence for confidentiality in advising clients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Wright said: Mr Baker is clearly being called out but is he in turn merely regurgitating what he's been happily fed by his officers? It will be interesting to see what his response is and where this goes from here, the SPCo, being an arm's length Govt operation, clearly possesses its own thoughts and opinions and may not be easily silenced. What with the covid report too, I detect the beginnings of a conflict... Edited May 25, 2021 by Non-Believer typo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Meanwhile, the improvements at Heysham look good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, John Wright said: I think the sound proofing is the door. Doesn’t instil confidence for confidentiality in advising clients. Maybe its by design, blame the door so you don't even consider the possibility of hidden microphones. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, John Wright said: Meanwhile, the improvements at Heysham look good Very avant garde 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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