Andy Onchan Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 5 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: It’s more than that. If Peel Holdings removed their offer to develop the site for IOM government due to issues that were apparent after further surveys (as suggested above) then it’s pure arrogance if some absolute clown decided to still run with it rather than just write off the £3.5M spent (we could probably have sold the site on for a different application anyway) and move on. We’ve managed to turn £3.5M for the plot and a deal to develop it for us into over £70M of taxpayers money being committed. Frankly it’s insane, as is the person or persons who decided that we should continue with the site after one of the most successful development companies in the north apparently told us it wasn’t economically viable for them to develop for us. It's more than just arrogance, it's corruption of the worst kind. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 its quite simple Peel Ports and a group of interested parties in Liverpool have given a presentation to the DOI and senior civil servants, probably with lots of artists impressions of a super clean dock area, new stadium, a couple of sweeping drone shots of the sea front with a cruise ship. The senior CS have basically creamed themselves over the meeting table at this point and signed an open ended contract without having any of the fine print or deliverables looked at. Then realising their fuckup after 12 fact finding expenses paid weekends at Liverpool One, decide to shred the paperwork and put up a wall of silence, leaving it to Tynwald to explain why we have to dump £100 million of manx taxpayers money into a port THAT ISN'T EVEN ON OUR FUCKING ISLAND (and yes i'm shouting). 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 1 hour ago, wingnut said: So what you’re saying is the project was signed off by a civil servant? Which is very very unlikely to be the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 1 minute ago, offshoremanxman said: The department or the Minister would have signed off the decision to proceed without question. Of course he would yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 I think the Treasury are involved as well. How many Finance Officers do they have??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 I think before Tynwald grants a further £32M to this there needs to be a nuts and bolts, forensic look into where the spend to date has gone. Not necessarily to apportion blame (at this stage) but actually find out what we've actually got to to date for our money. Because that money has GONE and it's not coming back, so there is no sense in throwing further money down the same road without knowing how it's going to be used and whether there's actually an end to it. If that examination throws up questions that need to be answered then obtain those answers BEFORE we supply further funding. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 I'm glad to see Jason Moorhouse has had the spine to question this before more money is thrown at it ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) Its not even a big site. This is beyond stupid, it needs stopping now. There is no contract in the world you cant get out of, for a price. For 100 million we could divert the river Mersey to Heysham to keep the locals who are obsessed with Liverpool happy Edited December 3, 2021 by Boris Johnson 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, asitis said: I'm glad to see Jason Moorhouse has had the spine to question this before more money is thrown at it ! Good, it was Hooper who stymied Baker's last application during the previous administration and kicked the can down the road to where we are now. Hopefully somebody will actually have the balls to pick the can up now. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 “The Department” is the problem. It’s what everyone at the DOI hides behind. Someone needs to be an accountable officer. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: “The Department” is the problem. It’s what everyone at the DOI hides behind. Someone needs to be an accountable officer. The accountable officer ie Black has gone , as have Harmer & Baker but there are others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Happier diner said: Of course he would yes Therein lies the problem Happier Dimmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, Banker said: The accountable officer ie Black has gone , as have Harmer & Baker but there are others I disagree. Stuff is always signed off behind the blanket of the Dept. nobody ever says ‘that was my decision’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: I disagree. Stuff is always signed off behind the blanket of the Dept. nobody ever says ‘that was my decision’ Any examples Derek? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 1 hour ago, wingnut said: Any examples Derek? All of them! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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